Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Sun May 20, 2018 11:44 pm

Hello, I have strange Pink2 channel strip behaviour at top frequencies when compressor is enabled. I've created ticket named "#1614 Pink 2 strip strange compressor artefacts" and applied screenshots and mp3 files.

After 3 days I got a replay "Help us help you (read before submit a support ticket) an provide us more precise information including screen capture from problematic plug-ins."

But I've already provided all information. I can duplicate it here. Now ticket was closed. Please tell me what is this?
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Sun May 20, 2018 11:47 pm

Here are screenshots

Pink 2 compressor is off
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Pink 2 compressor is on.
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by RJHollins » Mon May 21, 2018 1:35 am

Provide a screen shot with your Pink settings so we can try to replicate.
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Mon May 21, 2018 7:47 am

These HF-articacts orrus when gain reduction is applied with any settings of compressor (HP sidechain, Pink2 mode on, knee types). With no gain reduction or with insane mode ON - there's no artifacts
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Post by RJHollins » Mon May 21, 2018 9:26 am

with insane mode ON - there's no artifacts
OK ... I'll look to test your settings later today ... However ... INSANE mode usually needs to be ON as far as I know.
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Mon May 21, 2018 11:13 am

Yes, but it is so CPU hungry. I can turn it on to render the project but it is not so comfortable to toggle this setting on each instance of plugin over every time I need to render. Maybe you should implement option to select render and playback quality?

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Post by RJHollins » Mon May 21, 2018 5:48 pm

With the settings you've provided ... here are screen shots from PluginDoc analyzer.
Pink-2.png
Pink-2 Harmonics.png
As can be viewed:
Frequency response is FLAT.
Harmonic content is around -100 dB

When run with INSANE mode, some harmonics drop even lower.

As to CPU consumption, not much I can say or do about that. It may be possible that AA MIGHT have further improvements, if that is even possible. I've no insider details to support that.
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Mon May 21, 2018 6:13 pm

As I mentioned before artifacts occur only when gain reduction is applied. Please take bass I posted earlier and run it thru compressor, and you'll hear what I'm hearing
Plugin doctor is wonderful application I like very much, but how about those examples I posted earlier?

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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Mon May 21, 2018 6:19 pm

here are my results
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Post by RJHollins » Mon May 21, 2018 6:20 pm

Question ... does the GUI screenshot show the settings you used on the BASS example ?

2. also ... is the Pink-OFF/mp3 file at the LEVEL you used in the actual track ?

I prefer having the exact conditions to check.

note: I'll try to check this out for you later tonite.
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Mon May 21, 2018 6:22 pm

Something strange with attachments
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by RJHollins » Mon May 21, 2018 6:23 pm

tsykhra wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 6:19 pm
here are my results
What is your SIGNAL LEVEL set in PluginDoc ?

also ... what SampleRate are you measuring ?
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Mon May 21, 2018 6:27 pm

44100
I've just tried plugin doctor with all sample rates above 44100, those peaks at the top frequencies always there. If I turn insane mode ON I can see peak at 88200 and 96000
There's definitely something wrong with sampling :?

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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by RJHollins » Tue May 22, 2018 8:41 am

tsykhra wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 6:27 pm
44100
I've just tried plugin doctor with all sample rates above 44100, those peaks at the top frequencies always there. If I turn insane mode ON I can see peak at 88200 and 96000
There's definitely something wrong with sampling :?
OK ... I didn't have time to test the Bass file. What I also needed to know was the MP3 file the Peak/RMS of the audio you are using ?

2. Just to be sure [as I have learned]. There is an issue with PluginDoc AND changing SampleRates. [at least with N-4 and ACQUA plugins].

You have to set the Samplerate. Set it as DEFAULT. Reload the Acqua/N-4 plugin.

I speculate that PluginDoc is NOT sending a proper command of Samplerate to the ACQUA .... OR .... the ACQUA is not responding to the rate change.

This is to be sure what is being analyze is reliable.

Lastly ... I do hope other PINK-2 uses will respond to your posting here. Since my focus is Mastering, PINK-2 is not a plug I have used. And it could be I'm missing out on what Pink offers ... but to be fair, I just don't have practical experience using it. I can relay that in our Beta-testing
forum ... I don't recall anyone bringing up the issue. [I'm not discounting what you've posted ... but I wonder why others haven't reported ... and I read [in other forums] how many people seem to be using PINK.

Again ... verify the levels on the MP3 [so that I can test exactly], and I hope tomorrow opens some time for me to test.

thanks

OH ... one more question. Are you using version: R000 Pink-2 Channel strip, installed with AQUARIUS ?
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Re: Acustica is pleased to release PINK2 suite, the dawn of CORE12!

Post by tsykhra » Tue May 22, 2018 9:15 am

1. Peak/RMS in that case doesn't matter, all you need is compress singal so gain reductuction is applied. This is not "narrow sweet spot" issue. Just apply gain reduction to sinus, bass, drum loop - here they are - those peaks.
2. Just tried to set as default and reload - same situation
3. Yes, I use latest version installed with Aquarius
but I wonder why others haven't reported
Maybe because most of them use it on rich frequency content, that is masking those peaks. I happily used Pink few months until inserted it on that bass line. So count me as first who reported this issue :mrgreen: Let's ask other users to check

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