(User's Recommendation) Computer System to work v Neb/Acqua

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Re: (User's Recommendation) Computer System to work v Neb/Ac

Post by jammer2nd » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:21 am

davidgary73 wrote:
jammer2nd wrote:I've been buiding pcs since 386's...maybe a bit later :) so always optimize my windows for audio , even with internet, antivirus and firewall I've had great results.

My windows 10 was performing great but a bootup problem meant I had to reformat and reinstall everything on my i7-4790K, now, after reinstall, i'm getting crazy clicks, and pcs farting every chance it gets, I can only run 10 gold strips and every time i move a knob, the machine goes crazy (same with 1 pearl2)

Anyway, I've optimized win 10 / reaper but was wondering do we have an official optimizing list, I want to check if i've missed out tweaking something.

I know win10 got some more updates and wonder wether they've add more crap to the pile.

If I cant get to the bottom of this I'm gonna install win7 and do a dual boot

great thread by the way 8-)
I'm asking mchillak if he can share his finding as he tweaked his Win 10 earlier and gotten better results than before with 39 Gold Full Strip with Reaper @ https://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-pro ... io-19.html

Once he share his tweaks, i'll post on the fist post :)

that would be awesome thank you
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Re: (User's Recommendation) Computer System to work v Neb/Ac

Post by davidgary73 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:25 am

jammer2nd wrote:that would be awesome thank you
Herre you go :)
Windows 10 Tweak shared by mchillak
1. I used the "safe for PC" blackviper service center config. You could probably go further and be a bit more aggressive but I kept it simple.
http://www.blackviper.com/service-confi ... gurations/
2. I also used msconfig to turn off everything in the startup menu except my RME control.
3. I installed spybot antibeacon and turned on immunization for everything including the optional ones. https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
Some question to mchillak regarding the tweaks.
Re #1, Did you just use his list and turn off/adjust the appropriate settings for each service manually in services.msc? Or did you use a batch script?
A: I copied his settings for "safe PC" exactly as he has them listed.

Re #2, Are you referring to the "startup" tab in msconfig? Or did you go into the "services" tab and disable services there?
A: Yes startup tab. I disabled all program except for a few like my UCX mixer etc.

Re#3, Once installed, does spybot run automatically or do I have to run it each time I log in?
A: Yes once you setup and run spybot it just runs.
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Re: (User's Recommendation) Computer System to work v Neb/Ac

Post by heraldo_jones » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:38 pm

heraldo_jones wrote:Another test for those audiogeeks (as me), just to check how good Reaper performs.

This time I have loaded a stereo wav file (the same used in the testing of Gold) with 1 instance of Slate Digital VTM and 1 instance of VMR with 8 modules (air, earth, Custom lift, custom eq, blue 76, grey 76, black 76, fg-401).

Again, the specs of my 2009 Mac pro are: cpu Intel Xeon W3520 (4x2.66ghz), 16gb ddr3 1066mhz, ssd disks using Audient iD22 as my audio interface (this is my home setup).

Cubase 9.0.10/OS X 10.9.5:
Audio buffer 1024
22 tracks stable (93% cpu) - 23 instances with minor clicks (6% cpu)

Reaper 5.40/OS X 10.9.5:
Audio buffer 1024
36 instances stable (95% cpu) - 37 instances with minor clicks (98% cpu)

Today I have been watching some Reaper tutorials and although it does not have the flexibility/tools of Cubase or Pro Tools, I'm thinking of learning at least the basics just in case my head goes crazy hehehe
You're using Gold Fullstrip on these test?[/quote]

The quote was a Slate Digital test, in my Gold tests I tested Fullstrip (comp in insane mode) and individual ones ;)
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Post by garbage914 » Sat May 06, 2017 12:27 am

Since moving some plugins (Gold and a few Nebulas) to JBridge, I'm having awesome performance - I'm on windows 10 with an Intel x6950, Cubase 9, and an Apollo 8. I get no crashes. Once I'm maxing out my CPU, audio will start to drop out here and there. And also, when I start adding automation to a project (especially in projects that contain N4), the sessions start to lock up more.

Have people have had varying success with different hard drive configurations. I'm on Windows 10 and have an internal 500GB SSD drive with 3 partitions. I have my system drive on one, projects on another, and Nebula Repository on the other. Would I benefit from separating some of that onto an external SSD drive?

Also, right now I'm overclocked to 4 GHZ (from 3 GHZ). Any recommendations on overclocking and how it plays with Nebula/Acquas?
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Post by davidgary73 » Sat May 13, 2017 11:20 am

Intel i9 coming soon @ http://hothardware.com/news/monster-int ... 20x-leaked

Would be great to see how many Acqua's instances i9 can run :)
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Post by davidgary73 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:15 pm

Some comparison between Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7 and Core i7 @ http://techreport.com/review/31979/amd- ... part-two/5
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Post by jlchicote » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:34 pm

Someone tryed the AMD platform with AA tech? If the cores are the king, the Ryzen 8c would be better than a I7 4c, right? Or a Xeon? or it is the I7 and the new I9 a better performing processor for AA?
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Post by davidgary73 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:25 am

Will's Ebony Fully strip instances count:

i7 5820K(6C/12T) 3.8 GHz - 27 Full instances, Win7, Reaper, RAM at 16GB
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Post by Bubblegum85 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:11 am

Any reports with the i9? Have the windows 10 issues been negated with updates? I know thunderbolt is only supported on windows 10 but all reports is win 7 is better.

Are most people on PC using usb 3.0 as their interface or firewire/ thunderbolt?

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Post by martel80 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:44 pm

Bubblegum85 wrote:Any reports with the i9? Have the windows 10 issues been negated with updates? I know thunderbolt is only supported on windows 10 but all reports is win 7 is better.

Are most people on PC using usb 3.0 as their interface or firewire/ thunderbolt?
There's not much AD or DA that uses usb 3.0 in the decent ad/da market. ( I dont know a single one at least)

Antelope Pure 2, prism Lyra 2, Mytek Brooklyn or even benchmark dac's are still usb 2.0 for example.

Other good options comes with SPDIF, MADI, DANTE or AES Pcie cards.

The sound quality is not bottlenecked by the transfer rate yet ....if you dont have a full console comming in your Pc.

In that case, there's the pcie options mentioned before.

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Post by davidgary73 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:39 am

From Will The Weirdo

Acqua Cream

Tested on my 5820K Win 7 x64 in Reaper OC'ed to 3.8Ghz, Audient iD22...... Measured in Task Manager.

@64 buffer - 40 total instances max, 41st froze Reaper
10 instances used 5-9% CPU 5.28 GB RAM
20 instances used 9-14% CPU 7.3 GB RAM
30 instances used 28-32% CPU 9.88 GB RAM
40 instances used 47-53% CPU 12.1 GB RAM

@1024 buffer - 40 instances max, 41st froze Reaper
10 instances used 11-14% CPU 5.26 GB RAM
20 instances used 24-27% CPU 7.6 GB RAM
30 instances used 34-40% CPU 9.92 GB RAM
40 instances used 50-54% CPU 12.1 GB RAM

I'm not sure why I had a 40 limit, my system was running without any issue but it does not like the 41st instance, lol. Based on prior experience with testing Acqua's with more RAM and looking at the CPU usage I could see 60-70 instances being the limit my system could pull.
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Post by fastersound » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:21 am

Interesting that it uses more CPU at 1024 buffer than it does at 64.

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Post by davidgary73 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:06 am

Some discussion on AMD

Kyle Conklin > So first, lets talk IPCs. No, AMD does not have higher IPC ratings than Intel, but using DAWs with plugins is not purely dependent on single core performance.

The 1950x kicks the ass of every Intel chip until you get to the 18 core x299 chips for Intel. It also runs way cooler since the 4 die son the chip are soldered. You will have a fantastic experience with threadripper. All the myths about Ryzen based chips having higher latency are false, its just as stable as Intel since the tech has matured and BIOS revisions have been solid, and you save a ton of money and get 64 PCi E lanes.

David Pacheco Egido > Do you have AMD? which? What average plugins can you execute?

Kyle Conklin > I use a 2700x at 4.2 ghz on my main home workstation (8 cores) and can run at least 38 Acquas at 48 khz, and about double that nebula since Core 12 is quite nice on the CPU, and with the threadripper OCed ot 4.1 ghz on all 16 cores I can do 90 acquas at 48 khz and way more than that of Nebula instances.
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Post by davidgary73 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:16 pm

From Giancarlo

We have an i9 10 cores (low entry cpu) and using modula I mixed a song with 22 full magenta, 8 diamond strips (Lift+diamond) and the cpu was about 13% in studio one @44100

this i9 is a 10 core. They just released a super amd processor featuring 32 (!!!!!) cores.
Price is around 2k, lower than the cheapest hardware mastering compressor

SSD makes an huge difference.
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Post by davidgary73 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:14 am

From Orcel in GS

I use a Mac Pro Cylinder 12 Cores 64Gb Ram and here are the results :
(Hyperthreadind off) Reaper Session
Plugins : Number to have 85% CPU Usage (Peaks at 95%)
HONEY : 21
BLUEQ : 26 ( Add latency 6000) - 29 ZL
ORANGE EQ : 18
NAVY : 22 ZL
GOLD : 9
Lime : 9
SAND : 9
PINK ZL : 19
AQUAMARINE : 25
Ultramarine : 19
CHARLIE : 23

For me, It's enough to increase the quality of all my mix, but I know it's possible to have better results with a good PC (And Reaper which is very very light))

If you have a Mac Pro Cylinder 12 Cores (Maybe it works with less Cores) you win 30% capacity of Reaper because Reaper works better without Multithreading.
I worked with Logic Pro before, but Logic use and need Hyperthreading. Then, it only for Reaper.
To switch it of, go to Apple Store and Load (free) Xcode.
When Xcode is in you Application, Ctrl+clic on it to show package content. Inside you'll find another program called : Instruments. (place the alias in your desktop) .
So, before to run Reapper, you launch "Instrument" and go to preferences. There, you will see the window "Multi-threading - ON " you clic to turn it OFF" and that's all.
When you switch off your Mac and restart it goes back to the initial position "ON".
If your run Logic Pro you can have the same performances if you choose "Play back mode" and not "Playback and Live mode"
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