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Post by davidgary73 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:25 am

SoundForSoul wrote:I think it's more about reaper than about the windows version, but I must to reckon the specs are amazing. Was the comp on insane mode and were all the eqs turned on?
Will test results..it's crazy good and only hit around 50% to 70% CPU on most test :o
I just tested Gold in my i7 5820K OC'ed 3.8Ghz 16GB Ram PC at 1024 buffer in Reaper 5.40 on Windows 7x64 SP1 44.1Khz session. My Windows ram usage was removed from the numbers below.

Gold channel strip release C
10 - 2.2GB RAM - 12-16% CPU
20 - 4.3GB RAM - 29-32% CPU
30 - 6.3GB RAM - 47-51% CPU
40 - 8.5GB RAM - 67-70% CPU
43 was my total before Reaper froze up.

Gold Pre release E
50 - 2.9GB RAM - 37-41% CPU
60 - 3.5GB RAM - 43-47% CPU
66 was my total after running the test twice as I should have been able to get close to 100, there may be some tweaking to do on this.... I reported it in beta forum.

Gold EQ release E
30 - 4.5GB RAM - 12-17% CPU
40 - 5.7GB RAM - 18-21% CPU
50 - 7.1GB RAM - 21-25% CPU
60 - 9.0GB RAM - 30-35% CPU
70 - 11.3GB RAM - 36-40% CPU
As my computer RAM total was at 14.7GB so I stopped at 70 instances, with 32GB of RAM I could easily see getting 100.

Gold compressor release C
50 - 1.5GB RAM - 18-21% CPU
70 - 2.5GB RAM - 25-30% CPU
90 - 3.0GB RAM - 32-36% CPU
100 - 3.5GB RAM - 38-42% CPU
I stopped at 100 because any more is ridiculous.

My testing method as always, Play a song in Reaper and pull up plugin to test, never stop the song except to restart it. Turn everything with heavy usage on withing the plugin. Copy that plug to 10 channels. Pull up Windows task manager and write computer settings down settings. I do 10 channel because my i7 is an 8 thread, so the load would be uneven. Make a few small changes, different EQ or comp, then pull up another 10 instances, write down computer settings from task manager. Go until Reaper freezes or I run out of RAM or I'm at 100 instances.
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Post by mchillak » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:27 pm

Just for comparison I ran some tests on my old 2013 laptop (i7-4800mq @2.7ghz, 16gb ram).

Reaper -20 Instances of SAND (all options engaged with insane mode) cpu hover around 75% then crashed Reaper on 21st instance

Reaper - 21 Instances of LIME (all options engaged with insane made) cpu hover around 75% then crashed Reaper on 22nd instance

Ableton - 17 instances of SAND (all options engaged) with CPU at 75% running well. 18th instance causes clicks and stutters.

I wanted to test Cubase as well but I didn't have the stupid dongle you need to run it.

These numbers were pretty surprising considering how old the Laptop is. My Win10 6850k desktop isn't crushing it the way it should be.
Windows 7 is starting to look good to me.

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Post by davidgary73 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:22 am

mchillak wrote:Just for comparison I ran some tests on my old 2013 laptop (i7-4800mq @2.7ghz, 16gb ram).

Reaper -20 Instances of SAND (all options engaged with insane mode) cpu hover around 75% then crashed Reaper on 21st instance

Reaper - 21 Instances of LIME (all options engaged with insane made) cpu hover around 75% then crashed Reaper on 22nd instance

Ableton - 17 instances of SAND (all options engaged) with CPU at 75% running well. 18th instance causes clicks and stutters.

I wanted to test Cubase as well but I didn't have the stupid dongle you need to run it.

These numbers were pretty surprising considering how old the Laptop is. My Win10 6850k desktop isn't crushing it the way it should be.
Windows 7 is starting to look good to me.
Ya..your 6850k should be crunching more instances. Give Win 7 a try and see what results you get :)

Will The Weirdo said :I have a deep gut feeling it's all that background BS in Win 10 and most users don't clean it out, or Microsoft won't allow it to be removed. Win 10 is also still new, and clearly the testing is showing it has work to be done for audio use. Windows has always been a bloated OS..... and IMHO Win 10 is the worst yet. Microsoft is clearly bullying us to use Win 10, but I'll stick to Win 7 until 10 proves itself worthy of the jump, which clearly it has not after so many inferior results from clearly superior CPU's.
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Post by heraldo_jones » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:20 pm

Well, I'm adding the results of my modest 2009 Mac Pro with the Intel W3520 (4x2.66ghz), 16gb ddr 1066mhz.

Gold Fullstrip (latest release) - Reaper 5.40/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
10 instances stable (90% cpu) - 11 instances with minor clicks (96% cpu)

Gold EQ (latest release) - Reaper 5.40/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
21 instances stable (90% cpu) - 22 instances with minor clicks (93% cpu)

Gold Comp (latest release) - Reaper 5.40/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
50 instances stable (95% cpu) - 51 instances with minor clicks (97% cpu)

Gold Preamp (latest release) - Reaper 5.40/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
24 instances stable (93% cpu) - 25 instances with minor clicks (95% cpu)
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Post by heraldo_jones » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:42 pm

These are the same test with Cubase 9.0.10, as well in OS X 10.9.5, same machine, with ASIO Guard in High level as is the best, at least for my machine:

Gold Fullstrip (latest release) - Cubase 9.0.10/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
8 instances stable (93% cpu) - 9 instances with minor clicks (96% cpu)

Gold EQ (latest release) - Cubase 9.0.10/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
17 instances stable (94% cpu) - 18 instances with minor clicks (97% cpu)

Gold Comp (latest release) - Cubase 9.0.10/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
31 instances stable (92% cpu) - 32 instances with minor clicks (95% cpu)

Gold Preamp (latest release) - Cubase 9.0.10/OS X 10.9.5:
Interface Audient iD22 - audio buffer 1024
18 instances stable (96% cpu) - 19 instances with minor clicks (98% cpu)
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Post by heraldo_jones » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:44 pm

I'm really impressed about how well Reaper performs, in special with the Comp :shock: . Seems like it is time to learn Reaper a little bit :lol:
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Post by davidgary73 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:01 pm

Thank you so much heraldo_jones for the stats. Posted on the first post :)

Good results on a 2009 Mac Pro. Need to do mine 2012 Mac Pro once its back from z hospital.

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Post by drezz » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:47 pm

Posted on GS too, but just wondering how the Ryzen CPUs would be able to handle Acustica plugs. Very eager to find out............
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Post by heraldo_jones » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:16 pm

Would love to see if there is anyone using Gold with a 2009/10 Mac pro and the six core cpus (W3680/90, 3.33/3.46ghz) so I could check how much they improve above mine. Also laptop users with the 6700hq.
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Post by davidgary73 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:56 pm

drezz wrote:Posted on GS too, but just wondering how the Ryzen CPUs would be able to handle Acustica plugs. Very eager to find out............
Posted on GS Gold thread :)
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Post by jammer2nd » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:27 pm

I've been buiding pcs since 386's...maybe a bit later :) so always optimize my windows for audio , even with internet, antivirus and firewall I've had great results.

My windows 10 was performing great but a bootup problem meant I had to reformat and reinstall everything on my i7-4790K, now, after reinstall, i'm getting crazy clicks, and pcs farting every chance it gets, I can only run 10 gold strips and every time i move a knob, the machine goes crazy (same with 1 pearl2)

Anyway, I've optimized win 10 / reaper but was wondering do we have an official optimizing list, I want to check if i've missed out tweaking something.

I know win10 got some more updates and wonder wether they've add more crap to the pile.

If I cant get to the bottom of this I'm gonna install win7 and do a dual boot

great thread by the way 8-)
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Post by davidgary73 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:48 pm

jammer2nd wrote:I've been buiding pcs since 386's...maybe a bit later :) so always optimize my windows for audio , even with internet, antivirus and firewall I've had great results.

My windows 10 was performing great but a bootup problem meant I had to reformat and reinstall everything on my i7-4790K, now, after reinstall, i'm getting crazy clicks, and pcs farting every chance it gets, I can only run 10 gold strips and every time i move a knob, the machine goes crazy (same with 1 pearl2)

Anyway, I've optimized win 10 / reaper but was wondering do we have an official optimizing list, I want to check if i've missed out tweaking something.

I know win10 got some more updates and wonder wether they've add more crap to the pile.

If I cant get to the bottom of this I'm gonna install win7 and do a dual boot

great thread by the way 8-)
I'm asking mchillak if he can share his finding as he tweaked his Win 10 earlier and gotten better results than before with 39 Gold Full Strip with Reaper @ https://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-pro ... io-19.html

Once he share his tweaks, i'll post on the fist post :)
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Post by heraldo_jones » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:21 pm

Another test for those audiogeeks (as me), just to check how good Reaper performs.

This time I have loaded a stereo wav file (the same used in the testing of Gold) with 1 instance of Slate Digital VTM and 1 instance of VMR with 8 modules (air, earth, Custom lift, custom eq, blue 76, grey 76, black 76, fg-401).

Again, the specs of my 2009 Mac pro are: cpu Intel Xeon W3520 (4x2.66ghz), 16gb ddr3 1066mhz, ssd disks using Audient iD22 as my audio interface (this is my home setup).

Cubase 9.0.10/OS X 10.9.5:
Audio buffer 1024
22 tracks stable (93% cpu) - 23 instances with minor clicks (6% cpu)

Reaper 5.40/OS X 10.9.5:
Audio buffer 1024
36 instances stable (95% cpu) - 37 instances with minor clicks (98% cpu)

Today I have been watching some Reaper tutorials and although it does not have the flexibility/tools of Cubase or Pro Tools, I'm thinking of learning at least the basics just in case my head goes crazy hehehe
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Post by garbage914 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:18 pm

x6950 3.00 GHZ overclocked to 4 GHZ
Windows 10
32GB RAM
512 GB SSD
U*******l A***o Apollo 8 - 1024 samples
Reaper 5.40
cpu 53%
Ram 10,500GB Used
39 Gold Strips (fully engaged including Insane Compressor)
Always crashed on 40th, just like JfJer

Cubase 9.1 is identical
CPU looks around 60%
Ram 10,500GB
39 instances and crashed on the 40th

I downloaded the demo of JBridge and converted Gold 64 bit to a Jbridge plugin. With the same test in Cubase, I had higher CPU (near 100) and had to change my buffer to 2048 on my Apollo (audio wouldn't start to sound at 1024), BUT, I was then able to get 54 Golds w audio running! I'm just investigating what exactly JBridge is doing, but it seems that taking Processes out of Cubase's main processing thread wins more power. Have to do further testing with large sessions and a mix of acustica/non-acustica plugins.

I have my Acquas/Nebula all set to 2048 buffer size. Not sure how much that affects things.

Jbridge in Reaper 5.40 didn't go as well as Cubase 9. I start getting consistent stuttering (and huge CPU spikes) at 41 Golds which gets worse and worse as I add more The program finally slows to a crawl at 50. Buffer is at 2048 or else I don't get as many.

In other Cubase sessions that I had 5 or 6 Golds in, I was getting "This plugin needs to be authorized" errors when I was trying to add more Acquas. By just running Gold in Jbridge, those errors went away, the projects are running smoothly, and I was able to add a bunch more Golds before things start freezing up CPU-wise.
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Post by davidgary73 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:18 am

garbage914 wrote:x6950 3.00 GHZ overclocked to 4 GHZ
Windows 10
32GB RAM
512 GB SSD
U*******l A***o Apollo 8 - 1024 samples
Reaper 5.40
cpu 53%
Ram 10,500GB Used
39 Gold Strips (fully engaged including Insane Compressor)
Always crashed on 40th, just like JfJer

Cubase 9.1 is identical
CPU looks around 60%
Ram 10,500GB
39 instances and crashed on the 40th

I downloaded the demo of JBridge and converted Gold 64 bit to a Jbridge plugin. With the same test in Cubase, I had higher CPU (near 100) and had to change my buffer to 2048 on my Apollo (audio wouldn't start to sound at 1024), BUT, I was then able to get 54 Golds w audio running! I'm just investigating what exactly JBridge is doing, but it seems that taking Processes out of Cubase's main processing thread wins more power. Have to do further testing with large sessions and a mix of acustica/non-acustica plugins.

I have my Acquas/Nebula all set to 2048 buffer size. Not sure how much that affects things.

Jbridge in Reaper 5.40 didn't go as well as Cubase 9. I start getting consistent stuttering (and huge CPU spikes) at 41 Golds which gets worse and worse as I add more The program finally slows to a crawl at 50. Buffer is at 2048 or else I don't get as many.

In other Cubase sessions that I had 5 or 6 Golds in, I was getting "This plugin needs to be authorized" errors when I was trying to add more Acquas. By just running Gold in Jbridge, those errors went away, the projects are running smoothly, and I was able to add a bunch more Golds before things start freezing up CPU-wise.
WOW..54 with JBridge..nice ;) Thank you for this results and I've posted your results on first post.
heraldo_jones wrote:Another test for those audiogeeks (as me), just to check how good Reaper performs.

This time I have loaded a stereo wav file (the same used in the testing of Gold) with 1 instance of Slate Digital VTM and 1 instance of VMR with 8 modules (air, earth, Custom lift, custom eq, blue 76, grey 76, black 76, fg-401).

Again, the specs of my 2009 Mac pro are: cpu Intel Xeon W3520 (4x2.66ghz), 16gb ddr3 1066mhz, ssd disks using Audient iD22 as my audio interface (this is my home setup).

Cubase 9.0.10/OS X 10.9.5:
Audio buffer 1024
22 tracks stable (93% cpu) - 23 instances with minor clicks (6% cpu)

Reaper 5.40/OS X 10.9.5:
Audio buffer 1024
36 instances stable (95% cpu) - 37 instances with minor clicks (98% cpu)

Today I have been watching some Reaper tutorials and although it does not have the flexibility/tools of Cubase or Pro Tools, I'm thinking of learning at least the basics just in case my head goes crazy hehehe
You're using Gold Fullstrip on these test?
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