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Re: Green

Post by gussyg » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:21 pm

tumburu wrote:Truth to be told, AlexB spoiled us with analyzer snapshots in all his manuals and I, personally, didn't use that software before having Nebula, actually I had no idea it existed :mrgreen:

So, it comes around, and not only for you, pretty much for every other developer, now that the customers know what to expect.
I just use some white noise & logics eq analyzer ... not looking for faults.. I feel it helps me to understand the curves and shape of the EQ that's all

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Re: Green

Post by dagovitsj » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:25 am

@ gussyg
- I think it's a good thing that you have found something that seems not to be correct with the Green EQ.

I can see from your signature that you're not a beta tester, and just speaking based on the pictures you posted - it's strange that the beta testers didn't found this deviation between the two bands?

Or perhaps it was found, but G and his team decided to put it out anyways, and fix it later?

Bottom line: I think there has been a significant shift towards much better response and good customer support the last year. And reading Giancarlos' postings here regarding Magenta and Amber, I get the feeling that they are really working hard to make the best possible product for us. And that these deviations that have been addressed for the new Aqcua plugins lately, are solved little by little.

I think your investment is safe, and that these things will be sorted!

Just my 2 cc :D
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Re: Green

Post by dacaveprods » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:42 am

dagovitsj wrote:@ gussyg
- I think it's a good thing that you have found something that seems not to be correct with the Green EQ.

I can see from your signature that you're not a beta tester, and just speaking based on the pictures you posted - it's strange that the beta testers didn't found this deviation between the two bands?

Or perhaps it was found, but G and his team decided to put it out anyways, and fix it later?

Bottom line: I think there has been a significant shift towards much better response and good customer support the last year. And reading Giancarlos' postings here regarding Magenta and Amber, I get the feeling that they are really working hard to make the best possible product for us. And that these deviations that have been addressed for the new Aqcua plugins lately, are solved little by little.

I think your investment is safe, and that these things will be sorted!

Just my 2 cc :D
Yep!!!

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Re: Green

Post by gussyg » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:11 am

@ dagovitsj
thx.. as I said it was merely an observation, I'm a little surprised at the indifferent reaction to the "error ?" :?
I'm very much a fan of AA"s work :D

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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:52 am

dagovitsj wrote:@ gussyg
- I think it's a good thing that you have found something that seems not to be correct with the Green EQ.

I can see from your signature that you're not a beta tester, and just speaking based on the pictures you posted - it's strange that the beta testers didn't found this deviation between the two bands?

Or perhaps it was found, but G and his team decided to put it out anyways, and fix it later?

Bottom line: I think there has been a significant shift towards much better response and good customer support the last year. And reading Giancarlos' postings here regarding Magenta and Amber, I get the feeling that they are really working hard to make the best possible product for us. And that these deviations that have been addressed for the new Aqcua plugins lately, are solved little by little.

I think your investment is safe, and that these things will be sorted!

Just my 2 cc :D
the deviation was found, but while on magenta was a bit more - a real shift of values - here we have something in the 10% ballpark, tolerated in electronics
So we decided to not fix it. If really someone misses the true value we'll just create a new skin.
This deviation is reported in the user manual of the original hardware product

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Re: Green

Post by gussyg » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:01 am

giancarlo wrote:
dagovitsj wrote:@ gussyg
- I think it's a good thing that you have found something that seems not to be correct with the Green EQ.

I can see from your signature that you're not a beta tester, and just speaking based on the pictures you posted - it's strange that the beta testers didn't found this deviation between the two bands?

Or perhaps it was found, but G and his team decided to put it out anyways, and fix it later?

Bottom line: I think there has been a significant shift towards much better response and good customer support the last year. And reading Giancarlos' postings here regarding Magenta and Amber, I get the feeling that they are really working hard to make the best possible product for us. And that these deviations that have been addressed for the new Aqcua plugins lately, are solved little by little.

I think your investment is safe, and that these things will be sorted!

Just my 2 cc :D
the deviation was found, but while on magenta was a bit more - a real shift of values - here we have something in the 10% ballpark, tolerated in electronics
So we decided to not fix it. If really someone misses the true value we'll just create a new skin.
This deviation is reported in the user manual of the original hardware product
that's good enough for me :) .. Thx for your answer G

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Re: Green

Post by exwel » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:50 pm

As a former owner of the GML8200 and owner of Equilibrium and i am impressed of the GREEN eq.

I tested the Equilibrium (i hate this word, always forget how to pronounce it :P)
in FIR mode with the analogue setting with the GML curves.
I tried different setting and tried to match everything and the GREEN sounds much much better to my ears.

I sold my GML8200 because it was for me , how to say it, to glassy sounding, loved the high freq on it but i make EDM and for my it eated to much transient on the attacks if this makes sense.
I use my Massive passive much more for example, different beast i know.

But the GREEN has less of that glassy sound (if any one can explane it better then me please do ) and i like this one at the moment better then the GML i can remember.


I am very impressed. and i was so happy with the Equilibrium . :( :roll:

So congrats with this awsome release

ps great to hear there will be more eq pionts on the GREEN

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Re: Green

Post by flaviusr » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:52 pm

This deviation is reported in the user manual of the original hardware product
This is very direct to the point :D
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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:23 am

exwel wrote:As a former owner of the GML8200 and owner of Equilibrium and i am impressed of the GREEN eq.

I tested the Equilibrium (i hate this word, always forget how to pronounce it :P)
in FIR mode with the analogue setting with the GML curves.
I tried different setting and tried to match everything and the GREEN sounds much much better to my ears.

I sold my GML8200 because it was for me , how to say it, to glassy sounding, loved the high freq on it but i make EDM and for my it eated to much transient on the attacks if this makes sense.
I use my Massive passive much more for example, different beast i know.

But the GREEN has less of that glassy sound (if any one can explane it better then me please do ) and i like this one at the moment better then the GML i can remember.


I am very impressed. and i was so happy with the Equilibrium . :( :roll:

So congrats with this awsome release

ps great to hear there will be more eq pionts on the GREEN
thank you!!

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Re: Green

Post by tumburu » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:03 pm

Bougt it and love the sound and the big interface. The phasing issue of previous Aqua eqs is gone! Also, I have to admit, the 'no numbers' controls are starting to grow on me.

Can't wait for the update on the frequency points.

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Re: Green

Post by CharlesT » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:34 pm

exwel wrote: But the GREEN has less of that glassy sound (if any one can explane it better then me please do ) and i like this one at the moment better then the GML i can remember.
Yes, I definitely agree with this comment as it was the same reason I sold my 8200 many years ago. It always had that "glassy" sound and always made the master feel "EQ'd" which I didn't like.

The low and mid bands however were really nice for cutting especially with the overlapping bands and being fully variable and all, which allowed for some amazingly unnoticebale fixing of problems.

I was so happy when I tried out the Green for the first time and found it didn't have the glassy sound and knew right away that it will be used on many of my masters from now on.

I was so pleased by the general sound of the Green that the limited bands didn't bother me at all but do agree with everyone else complaining and think that doubling the frequency points will only get it closer to the "Perfect EQ" description.

BTW. for the people complaining about the frequency discrepencies, it's obvious that they've never used the original hardware as it was all over the map with not just the frequencies but all the other controls as well.

The only way you could truly match left/right channels for any of the controls was to use tones and an analyser all the time, which was a real drag.

Also, just switching the original unit into circuit sounded not flat which wasn't because it was a coloured EQ but more so because having all the cut/boost controls at "0" didn't necessarily mean what was indicated, when measured you could easily see the slight differences which quickly made for quite a difference with having 5 bands per channel.

So even though AA have probably done the right thing as far as trying to get the most accurate representaion of the original hardware, I definitely would also like to see a future update with all the labels matching correctly and along with the extra frequency points will truly make it better than the hardware as far as matching and sound is concerned.

The frequency discrepencies in the plugin now is a representation of the actual unit that AA sampled, not all of the 8200's in circulation. So the decision to capture the hardware exactly would only be succesful for that specific hardware and serial number. I've used many other units over the years and they all have many differences between them.

In any case though, I'm truly excited with how fast this technology is moving forward and for the first time ever I'm actually totally comfortable using the digital options with Nebula and Aqua instead of insisting on using true hardware because "plug ins" don't sound as good.

Congrats on being at the cutting edge AA and it seems like it's only going to get better from now on. I'm really looking forward to the release of all the new Aqua's and compressors in particular which I think eventually will be the game changer for AA and result in more people noticing this amazing technology.

Thanks !
Charles

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Re: Green

Post by tumburu » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:17 pm

I think 'fixing' the response is indeed in line with Acustica's 'inspired by' philosophy that was applied in the case of Magenta and Titanium.

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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:03 pm

tumburu wrote:I think 'fixing' the response is indeed in line with Acustica's 'inspired by' philosophy that was applied in the case of Magenta and Titanium.
yes for green it is a small error so we left it unchanged.
We could modify the skin, though

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Re: Green

Post by dagovitsj » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:29 pm

giancarlo wrote:
dagovitsj wrote:@ gussyg
- I think it's a good thing that you have found something that seems not to be correct with the Green EQ.

I can see from your signature that you're not a beta tester, and just speaking based on the pictures you posted - it's strange that the beta testers didn't found this deviation between the two bands?

Or perhaps it was found, but G and his team decided to put it out anyways, and fix it later?

Bottom line: I think there has been a significant shift towards much better response and good customer support the last year. And reading Giancarlos' postings here regarding Magenta and Amber, I get the feeling that they are really working hard to make the best possible product for us. And that these deviations that have been addressed for the new Aqcua plugins lately, are solved little by little.

I think your investment is safe, and that these things will be sorted!

Just my 2 cc :D
the deviation was found, but while on magenta was a bit more - a real shift of values - here we have something in the 10% ballpark, tolerated in electronics
So we decided to not fix it. If really someone misses the true value we'll just create a new skin.
This deviation is reported in the user manual of the original hardware product
- Thanks, I like this! Especially this:
giancarlo wrote:This deviation is reported in the user manual of the original hardware product
- Also nice that you will sample more values, little by little. :D
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Re: Green

Post by exwel » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:53 pm

CharlesT wrote:
BTW. for the people complaining about the frequency discrepencies, it's obvious that they've never used the original hardware as it was all over the map with not just the frequencies but all the other controls as well.

The only way you could truly match left/right channels for any of the controls was to use tones and an analyser all the time, which was a real drag.

Also, just switching the original unit into circuit sounded not flat which wasn't because it was a coloured EQ but more so because having all the cut/boost controls at "0" didn't necessarily mean what was indicated, when measured you could easily see the slight differences which quickly made for quite a difference with having 5 bands per channel.


This was for me also a big reason to sell my GML8200.
Thought it needed calibration but it's standard on the 8200, that's why i believe the GML 9500 (mastering version of the 8200) is twice the price(steped freq?) because it's better balanced with diffrent potmeters for the volume/q and hz.


ps Charles is posted your reply on Gearslutz because this eq needs more love.
Your explanation in perfect

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