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Re: Green

Post by CharlesT » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:34 pm

exwel wrote: But the GREEN has less of that glassy sound (if any one can explane it better then me please do ) and i like this one at the moment better then the GML i can remember.
Yes, I definitely agree with this comment as it was the same reason I sold my 8200 many years ago. It always had that "glassy" sound and always made the master feel "EQ'd" which I didn't like.

The low and mid bands however were really nice for cutting especially with the overlapping bands and being fully variable and all, which allowed for some amazingly unnoticebale fixing of problems.

I was so happy when I tried out the Green for the first time and found it didn't have the glassy sound and knew right away that it will be used on many of my masters from now on.

I was so pleased by the general sound of the Green that the limited bands didn't bother me at all but do agree with everyone else complaining and think that doubling the frequency points will only get it closer to the "Perfect EQ" description.

BTW. for the people complaining about the frequency discrepencies, it's obvious that they've never used the original hardware as it was all over the map with not just the frequencies but all the other controls as well.

The only way you could truly match left/right channels for any of the controls was to use tones and an analyser all the time, which was a real drag.

Also, just switching the original unit into circuit sounded not flat which wasn't because it was a coloured EQ but more so because having all the cut/boost controls at "0" didn't necessarily mean what was indicated, when measured you could easily see the slight differences which quickly made for quite a difference with having 5 bands per channel.

So even though AA have probably done the right thing as far as trying to get the most accurate representaion of the original hardware, I definitely would also like to see a future update with all the labels matching correctly and along with the extra frequency points will truly make it better than the hardware as far as matching and sound is concerned.

The frequency discrepencies in the plugin now is a representation of the actual unit that AA sampled, not all of the 8200's in circulation. So the decision to capture the hardware exactly would only be succesful for that specific hardware and serial number. I've used many other units over the years and they all have many differences between them.

In any case though, I'm truly excited with how fast this technology is moving forward and for the first time ever I'm actually totally comfortable using the digital options with Nebula and Aqua instead of insisting on using true hardware because "plug ins" don't sound as good.

Congrats on being at the cutting edge AA and it seems like it's only going to get better from now on. I'm really looking forward to the release of all the new Aqua's and compressors in particular which I think eventually will be the game changer for AA and result in more people noticing this amazing technology.

Thanks !
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Re: Green

Post by tumburu » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:17 pm

I think 'fixing' the response is indeed in line with Acustica's 'inspired by' philosophy that was applied in the case of Magenta and Titanium.

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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:03 pm

tumburu wrote:I think 'fixing' the response is indeed in line with Acustica's 'inspired by' philosophy that was applied in the case of Magenta and Titanium.
yes for green it is a small error so we left it unchanged.
We could modify the skin, though

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Re: Green

Post by dagovitsj » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:29 pm

giancarlo wrote:
dagovitsj wrote:@ gussyg
- I think it's a good thing that you have found something that seems not to be correct with the Green EQ.

I can see from your signature that you're not a beta tester, and just speaking based on the pictures you posted - it's strange that the beta testers didn't found this deviation between the two bands?

Or perhaps it was found, but G and his team decided to put it out anyways, and fix it later?

Bottom line: I think there has been a significant shift towards much better response and good customer support the last year. And reading Giancarlos' postings here regarding Magenta and Amber, I get the feeling that they are really working hard to make the best possible product for us. And that these deviations that have been addressed for the new Aqcua plugins lately, are solved little by little.

I think your investment is safe, and that these things will be sorted!

Just my 2 cc :D
the deviation was found, but while on magenta was a bit more - a real shift of values - here we have something in the 10% ballpark, tolerated in electronics
So we decided to not fix it. If really someone misses the true value we'll just create a new skin.
This deviation is reported in the user manual of the original hardware product
- Thanks, I like this! Especially this:
giancarlo wrote:This deviation is reported in the user manual of the original hardware product
- Also nice that you will sample more values, little by little. :D
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Re: Green

Post by exwel » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:53 pm

CharlesT wrote:
BTW. for the people complaining about the frequency discrepencies, it's obvious that they've never used the original hardware as it was all over the map with not just the frequencies but all the other controls as well.

The only way you could truly match left/right channels for any of the controls was to use tones and an analyser all the time, which was a real drag.

Also, just switching the original unit into circuit sounded not flat which wasn't because it was a coloured EQ but more so because having all the cut/boost controls at "0" didn't necessarily mean what was indicated, when measured you could easily see the slight differences which quickly made for quite a difference with having 5 bands per channel.


This was for me also a big reason to sell my GML8200.
Thought it needed calibration but it's standard on the 8200, that's why i believe the GML 9500 (mastering version of the 8200) is twice the price(steped freq?) because it's better balanced with diffrent potmeters for the volume/q and hz.


ps Charles is posted your reply on Gearslutz because this eq needs more love.
Your explanation in perfect

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Re: Green

Post by mightymosaic » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:04 am

giancarlo wrote:ok on gearslutz a user was complaining because he wanted more stepped frequencies for a better control. I can promise we'll DOUBLE them on january
Anyway, if someone is not satisfied we can refund, I don't want unhappy customers
The same exact thing was requested by betatesters, but I didn't want to release the product further. This month we are busy releasing the release D for magenta
I dont mean to be that "Guy" But its been 4 months since we were promised this update and im starting to get worried that you guys aren't going through with it anymore. This is my favorite Aqua eq so far and ive been waiting for this update as im sure many others have also.

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Re: Green

Post by richie43 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:56 pm

I will tell you as a tester that they jumped right on it months ago and had a version that we were testing. We found some issues and Acustica did not want to release it as anything but awesome, so they are still working on it. Patience young patowan.......
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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:27 pm

for the sake of knowledge: we improved nat in order to avoid similar delays in the future. The unit was sampled many times, but with different issues. We want a perfect release. There is still a band missing

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Re: Green

Post by mightymosaic » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:04 am

giancarlo wrote:for the sake of knowledge: we improved nat in order to avoid similar delays in the future. The unit was sampled many times, but with different issues. We want a perfect release. There is still a band missing

Thanks for clearing that up G.

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Re: Green

Post by tumburu » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:23 am

So you resampled everything again? Not bad.

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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:13 am

yes resampled... using a new debugged nat which works in memory now

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Re: Green

Post by tumburu » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:37 am

Thanks for doing it the hard, good way.

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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:29 pm

tomorrow we should have a new version in betatesting....

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Re: Green

Post by giancarlo » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:56 pm

we'll create also native 48Khz vectors....
I think we'll release this product, than we'll move it to core6.

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Re: Green

Post by lubomba » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:41 pm

Cool! When will you release it? And how long will it take for core6 more or less? Thanks

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