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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by mathias » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:30 am

good points, hannes!

i am not sure, how much the saturation of the "nebula market", which i believe is certainly real (i myself am kind of "saturated" with nebula libraries) plays into the loss of sales of third party developers.

it may have been coincidence with the upcoming of cracked versions and it is difficult to analyze, what factors are contributing to this also.
we may never know ...

it is really hard to decide, what to do against piracy/for the product and this is up to giancarlo and acustica.
good to hear, that there are loyal people like you, that are even willing to just buy for the support of the product!

every help/support we can give is precious, to get the ship through sometimes rough times (be it only some patience, like i suggested above). calm waters will sure come ... (insert some dramatic music here, slowly calming down :D :lol: )

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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by mtalavera » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:32 am

Hannes_F wrote: With a restricted user base a certain market saturation is normal. I happen to have spent many hundreds of EUR for Nebula and libraries, might be more than 1000. I bought even Acqua plugins that I will most likely never use. Although I don't have any deep pockets I did this - honestly - for supporting the developers. Because how many EQs can I run at a time? How many consoles? As I said this is quite restricted because of the hardware and from a certain point on you can not sell more and more EQs and consoles over and over to the same folks, you need to find new folks.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that supports Acustica and the 3rd-party developers in this way. Although I can't buy every library or Acqua plugin that is released, I do have way more then I will ever use and keep adding to my collection.

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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by giancarlo » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:41 am

it's very very appreciated, really.

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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by faxesystem » Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:05 am

I fully understand, that you as a developer need money for your daily expenses and I also know, that your company just made a big step with an office etc.
The company I work for also had to make this step in the past and I can tell you, that they never cared much about copy protection not even today...

But again there is this ongoing debate about the copy protection and that you now have to spend most of your energy in changing the copy protection. And here I don't understand why because you stated, that the used copy protection has not been cracked.

Maybe there should be a collaboration of developers that have a working copy protection. For example here in Berlin u-he is well known for this. And also I'm an S-Gear owner. Acustica Audio should ask them for help since I think right now these businesses have about the same size and status.

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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by giancarlo » Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:56 am

because it works partially, and even if not stable and full of viruses, customers prefer to not buy (and they maybe cant use the cracked one or they are loosing saved songs, but damages requires time for being applied and at the moment it does not matter). Even if we post updates, we improve libraries, people still think cracked one is the state of art and think it is not working.In this conditions we cant release anything at the moment, just updates.
A collaboration? why?

Each time we improve the copy protection we are able to multiply the crack effort by a factor. We'll start testing a factor 10. We'll go up till they surrender completely. There is a point where I need 30 minutes for going to the next level and they need 300 hours.

The real question is: why a producer should choose a crack? oh maybe because their music rights and money are completely stolen by apple, pandora and similar internet companies. They should "revolutionize" the world addressing the efforts in the right directions, not "reversed" to who is trying to help.

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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by faxesystem » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:23 am

There is a point where I need 30 minutes for going to the next level and they need 300 hours.
So it's just 30 minutes until a MacOSX release? ;)
The real question is: why a producer should choose a crack?
I think a real producer is not using cracks. Mainly people that do music as a hobby use cracks. I once read an article in the De:Bug where the president of Ableton was asked about the piracy problem and he answered that lot's of the younger ones (that's why some companies give student discounts) work with a cracked version of live and later when they make money out of music or earn money in a job they buy it. Also he mentioned, that there are many countries where people have not that much money and where the software would cost them like three months of salary.

Another factor is that often demos of programs are not available and that a crack is often the only possibility to try software.

Here I really like the thinking of the reaper team (http://reaper.fm/purchase.php).

I for myself can just say, that I'm really interested to hear the Trinity EQ since it would be a much better workflow for me to have one plugin and all available bands instead of loading like 5 instances of Nebula. But since I'm a Mac user all I can do is wait...

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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by SWAN » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:37 pm

AA certainly has my blessing to do whatever they need to do to protect their company. Short of a PR problem due to serious virus/malware issues which might cause its own type of damage...but I trust their judgement.

It is a real concern to me that companies can go bust due to piracy - and it has changed my attitude to take it more seriously.

With regard to sales - usually - there should be a steady stream at a certain rate. With preset saturation in the market - that would be a slow curve over months maybe years. A crack release and sales event will be sudden - and obvious. I think developers have seen this - hence the upset. Of course - we cannot know without the release of sales figures - but I suspect it is worse than a lot of people think - and developers struggle on due to the love of music and the work.
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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by Antonello » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:51 pm

However:
Trinity 1.3.711 for windows
http://www.acustica-audio.com/phpBB3/vi ... 48&t=28074

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Re: Trinity Eq is coming

Post by nonstandardryder » Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:29 pm

Well I personally have been a loyal nebula customer since 2010. After switching to Mac OSX 2 years ago (and never looking back) I really wish I could use Trinity and Neo. I pretty much refuse to use any other processing plugins except nebula.

I do understand your frustration, but I don't feel piracy will ever stop.

Making loyal customers suffer is even worse. Charge us more, watermark our software, do what ever. Make 4 year customers beta testers.

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Re: Trinity EQ1

Post by nonstandardryder » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:05 pm

It looks like the mac version just happened! :)

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Re: Trinity EQ1

Post by willj » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:53 am

Probably a dumb idea, but why not release your own crack. A crack of the crack if you will..... :lol: A crack that is insanely latent and CPU heavy...until the market is sooo flooded with distrustful cracks that they are forced to buy the legit copy because its too big a risk.

i dunno. just trying to think OTB.

Im not about cracked software at all. It is affecting me even as a non user. Here, i cant even get a simple demo, and im sure it elevates the price some.

However, if i really wanted a product and there were no demo for it, i cant say i wouldnt give it some consideration.

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Re: Trinity EQ1

Post by giancarlo » Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:13 am

yes but someone suggested he want to try the "workflow"

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Re: Trinity EQ1

Post by Hannes_F » Sat May 16, 2015 2:34 am

I want want want Trinity with Core6, please. Any chance?

THE REASON: Somehow I can dial in nuances on some instruments with the continuous frequencies and gains that I don't get as easily with other EQs. (This is for the use as track EQ, especially on cello).

Thank you for listening,
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Re: Trinity EQ1

Post by Support » Sat May 16, 2015 10:47 am

Any chance?
0 chances.
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Re: Trinity EQ1

Post by kindafishy » Sat May 16, 2015 3:58 pm

Hannes_F wrote:I want want want Trinity with Core6, please. Any chance?

THE REASON: Somehow I can dial in nuances on some instruments with the continuous frequencies and gains that I don't get as easily with other EQs. (This is for the use as track EQ, especially on cello).

Thank you for listening,
Hannes
Hi Hannes, I am not part of support (obviously), but check out the conversation between G and I in the Blue EQ thread starting from here -> http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... pic#p84649 and it should explain why it is not possible to do this with "older" Acqua plugins.

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