Exactly what is possible with Neb3 and what is not?

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Re: Exactly what is possible with Neb3 and what is not?

Post by yr » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:19 am

Bloatfield wrote:Thank you for your effort in trying to explain - much appreciated!

But why then is it not possible to capture an effect such as Waves Maxxbass that changes the frequencies to fool the ear?

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- you can (at least without the compression element). I've made several versions, some in combination with other plugins/nebula presets, and they sound very good.
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Re: Exactly what is possible with Neb3 and what is not?

Post by Bloatfield » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:22 am

yr wrote:
Bloatfield wrote:Thank you for your effort in trying to explain - much appreciated!

But why then is it not possible to capture an effect such as Waves Maxxbass that changes the frequencies to fool the ear?

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- you can (at least without the compression element). I've made several versions, some in combination with other plugins/nebula presets, and they sound very good.
Really?! But I read in another thread that you couldn't capture Maxxbass. It was actually Giancarlo who said so.

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Re: Exactly what is possible with Neb3 and what is not?

Post by biomuse » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:52 pm

My guess is that you can't formally capture in Nebula what MaxxBass does because MaxxBass synthesizes genuinely new harmonics algorithmically from the fundamental, which is not something Nebula is capable of.

I also would guess that the reason that TM, Yuval etc. have been able to make Nebula patches that have a bass-enhancing effect is because most bass sounds in the real world already have a lot of low-midrange frequency content which Nebula can detect and modify - in other words, Nebula can harmonically rebalance bass sources, but not synthesize harmonics that are entirely absent to begin with.

Correspondingly, I presume that if you fed a pure 80Hz sine wave into MaxxBass, you would see the artificial harmonic ladder it synthesizes in its output, whereas you would see little to no additional harmonics coming out of Nebula, and definitely not a ladder calculated to psychoacoustically replace the fundamental.

Practically, the further away you get from using pure sinewave bass sounds, the less it should matter. There's a reason the Nebula patches work, which is that most people aren't using pure synthetic fundamentals as their bass instruments.

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Re: Exactly what is possible with Neb3 and what is not?

Post by yr » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:46 am

I should have said: you can partly capture it with Nebula. Here are some pics to help clarify:

sine tone:
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algo:
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Nebula:
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What I've noticed is, that it is possible to capture more harmonic saturation (so you get an harmonic order more similar to the algo plugin) but the frequency response of the preset becomes strange..
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