Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

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Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by marcpl » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:32 pm

has anyone checked out michael's latest release?
the GTR-VTX.

i have to admit that the audio demos left me feeling kind of mixed. but of course, michael always gets the benefit of the doubt for all of the great releases...and being kind and fair.

i think the GTR-VTX will be my next purchase but some opinions would be great.

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by sfunk » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:39 am

Being brutally honest i saw this and thought "why the hell did he model this?!"

Classic AC30? Classic Fender Deluxe? Classic Superlead? Yes. This? No sorry.

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by vicnestE » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:16 am

There's lots of tone in GTR-VTX.
The simulated preamp out is actully nice.
With one instance, it's like playing through a clean guitar amp. But with good overdrive/distortion in front, the possiblities are broadened.

You might need two EQs before and after it to shape the sound a little.

I have a good time playing with these programs. A good addition to existing cab programs and poweramp programs.

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by richie43 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:23 am

sfunk wrote:Being brutally honest i saw this and thought "why the hell did he model this?!"

Classic AC30? Classic Fender Deluxe? Classic Superlead? Yes. This? No sorry.
2 things. One is that Michael Angel doesn't necessarily think like every other Neb developer. If he did, we wouldn't have such cool libraries like the Producers packs, the tapes, tubes, VTM, the cool Aqua plugins.... let's not forget his obscure and vintage eq's and consoles. There are plenty of other devs doing the Fenders, Bogners, N**e's, etc. Why not go outside of the box?
Second thing is while the amp modeled may not be for everyone, it IS a versatile amp for some people. I personally would choose a different amp to use (or emulate), but who else is doing such off the beaten track gear like CDSM? I understand your questioning, but give the guy some respect and don't go out of your way to hurt his sales with negativity. I know that wasn't your intent, and I'm not attacking you. But Michael, in my opinion, has proven himself here as a man of great talent, creativity, generosity, and integrity. So if you don't like the idea of this library, just don't buy it. But certainly don't discourage others from checking it out with an open mind. Peace.
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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by sfunk » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:07 pm

richie i have purchased several of CDSoundmasters programs and really liked them. This one had me scratching my head. Its that simple. I am Not discouraging anyone. If someone wants THAT amp they will get this model. Me saying why didn't he model an AC30 or a Tweed is exactly what i thought and just because i typed it here wont affect sales of user who want a VTX.

Nebula is great, the developers are great, this forum is great but the way some forum posters get upset when they perceive a comment to be in someway negative to a developer is a little irritating. Encourage all discourse and not just that which aligns with your beliefs.

Anyway peace as they say :)

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by odla » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:26 pm

I have to agree with sfunk; no disrespect but what your basically saying is that only positive feedback is allowed in order not to hurt his sales?! I also bought several programs from CD Soundmaster (R2R, tapebooster, the Globe, Q8, N-ten-A4) and I love them all! And I also think that Michael is a great guy... But that does not mean I should not be allowed to give an honest opinion when asked for it, does it? I tried the demo and was not impressed at all, maybe its possible to get good results with it, but I gave up after an hour of trying... I'd rather stick to Scuffham S-gear, IMHO the best ampsim around!

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by richie43 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:44 pm

sfunk wrote:richie i have purchased several of CDSoundmasters programs and really liked them. This one had me scratching my head. Its that simple. I am Not discouraging anyone. If someone wants THAT amp they will get this model. Me saying why didn't he model an AC30 or a Tweed is exactly what i thought and just because i typed it here wont affect sales of user who want a VTX.

Nebula is great, the developers are great, this forum is great but the way some forum posters get upset when they perceive a comment to be in someway negative to a developer is a little irritating. Encourage all discourse and not just that which aligns with your beliefs.

Anyway peace as they say :)
Points taken. And seriously, no harm intended, and I apologize for any bad feeling you may have felt from me. Yes, maybe I was trying a bit too hard to be "protective", I have had many private discussions with Michael and just like the guy, so maybe I was merely being a regretfully typical dude and coming to his defense. I do encourage freedom on any forum and didn't mean to appear to want to squash that. And when I say Peace, I mean it. Again, apologies.
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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by richie43 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:50 pm

odla wrote:I have to agree with sfunk; no disrespect but what your basically saying is that only positive feedback is allowed in order not to hurt his sales?! I also bought several programs from CD Soundmaster (R2R, tapebooster, the Globe, Q8, N-ten-A4) and I love them all! And I also think that Michael is a great guy... But that does not mean I should not be allowed to give an honest opinion when asked for it, does it? I tried the demo and was not impressed at all, maybe its possible to get good results with it, but I gave up after an hour of trying... I'd rather stick to Scuffham S-gear, IMHO the best ampsim around!

Peace and all the best,

Aldo Adema
Please read my apology post. I jumped the gun, as they say, and I AM sorry for flying off like that. As I said, I just like Michael and jumped to his defense, I guess. Yes, you have every right to say whatever you want, that IS what forums are supposed to be. So without repeating my entire other post, sorry y'all. I am usually much better behaved and usually much less impulsive with my responses. And Aldo Adema, for the record, Scuffman is also the only sim I track with. I used to only use a sim when the situation prevented me from using my great sounding tube amp and a few good mics, but sometimes I actually prefer the Scuffman for a particular task. I have been using Nebula cabs instead of the Scuffman cabs (after tracking, for mix-down), but the Scuffman heads FEEL like an amp.
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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by Plattino » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:23 am

Yes the audio demos on Michaels website are far from what GTR-VTX can sound like - IMO.
Anyway I bought it because I was just curious :-) And I thought to myself: "C'mon its from Michael, there must be something good in it" :-)
I'm honest, my first try was a real disapointment.
I thought the level is much to low and the sound needs more mids and highs and so on. But then I found out what @vicnestE already mentioned in his post. You have to shape the sound before and after Nebula and then you will get what you expect from it and so much more!
So my advise is choose a GTR-VTX AMP preset in Nebula and put a good digital or analog overdrive/distortion in front of it. I tried the ones in Amplitube3 and Guitar-Rig4 with great achievements and then I tweaked only one neutral sounding eq after Nebula to shape the sound. Brutally rised the mids and also the highs. Sometimes you need to cut the lows a little bit. That's all. For clean sounds just rise the volume and/or put a compressor in front of it. Then again tweak the EQ after it.
I'm very enthusiastic what comes out of my speakers now. I never got such a dynamic and "tonerich" sound from any amp-sim in the box outhere! I think it's reacting like a good miked amp. If I find the time I will post some audio-demos so you can hear the sounds you should hear on Michaels website ;-)

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by cpwade » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:24 am

sfunk wrote: Nebula is great, the developers are great, this forum is great but the way some forum posters get upset when they perceive a comment to be in someway negative to a developer is a little irritating. Encourage all discourse and not just that which aligns with your beliefs.

Anyway peace as they say :)
Best quote ever on this board.

Thank you.

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by Formbank » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:27 am

I've tried the demo and I'm afraid it didn't do it for me. Not everything does and that doesn't reflect badly on Nebula or the developer, it's just what I think about a particular library.

I would say though that some of the marketing language used sometimes can be somewhat 'over-enthusiastic'.

[edit] I should clarify this to say I'm not referring to Michael exclusively on this point.

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by cdsoundmaster » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:42 pm

Hi everyone.

I appreciate the comments on the VTX.

Now that the N-TEN for Mac Acqua is up and running, I have a few moments to catch this up and I hope it is helpful. I'll answer a couple of specifics after this general topic.

I can understand this isn't the perfect release for everyone, and even guitar-users may have their preferences with and without Neb.- totally understandable.

But, I do consider this to be a very important library.

Because of the nature of design, it takes a little deeper understanding and a little setting up to get the full effect, so no problem if it doesn't click immediately.

All information for best use is covered in the docs, and I really hope that anyone interested in amazing authentic guitar amp tone will check further into this.

If immediacy and ease of use are the most important to you, there are definitely easier ways to plug-in. For those that want to tweak and take the few steps to a much more authentic tone itb, you really want to dig a little deeper here.

The docs cover the entire technical process in the amp and it is no hype to say it is one of the very best that exist.

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by cdsoundmaster » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:50 pm

sfunk wrote:Being brutally honest i saw this and thought "why the hell did he model this?!"

Classic AC30? Classic Fender Deluxe? Classic Superlead? Yes. This? No sorry.
I understand.
Yet, at the same time, the examples mentioned are precisely why this is worth getting.

Why did I model this?
I've tracked and played with everything from an AC15, Princeton Chorus, a few Marshalls and my Marshall combo, Fender Twin, etc. for many years, and the AD60VTX is my all time favorite amp.
Don't confuse the modeling aspect of the hardware with Line6, Amplitube, or others. This is a real analog amp with excpetional preamp modeling, real transformers, a real low watt tube power out and an analog solid state post-tube boost.

To get the realism of the power usage, Class A/AB, speaker load, etc, the actual analog signal is altered to replicate the real reaction of different amps.

There have been plenty of side-by-side tests where the differenece in the Vox AC15, top-boost, 30, etc, are indestinguishable from the VTX, and the rectification and others are masterpieces.

But, just as much the reason for this as opposed to other specific, single combo's mentioned... I own the VTX. It is my personal favorite amp, and I decided to sample it and make the huge expanse of awesome tone available.

You get pedal input to all combo amp emu's, an eq version of all emu's, and two live mik'd cab versions with off-axis sm57 and Quad Eight console channel. For the price of a single collection and the realism, I can't imagine a reason not to create this. Sure, there are other amps to sample, but that is no reason to avoid the one I know for sure I love, and the emu quality level of this amp should not be under-estimated.

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by cdsoundmaster » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:00 pm

I definitely understand what you are saying as first reaction, as it is a set-up process. It sounds like your time with the collection has gotten exactly the results I'm hoping people will take the time to discover. Just like a guitarist can spend months developing their tone with the real amps- it takes a little time to dig through the massive options here. but so much fun! And, to be able to make these changes with zero plugging or routing once in a session... :-)!

Just to help people understand; the level is low in the same manner that plugging a guitar into an amp is very low until it is driven. There is a serious non-linear scoop that occurs once going in the preamp, and in digital if I turn this up, you will overload. The levels are matched to avoid any digital artifacts when plugging in.

The eq sections will allow you to shape it as the original amps do. Shaping the sound should come with more drive entering the first stage, which is easy to do with an extra freebie pedal plug-in of choice.

I'm SO glad that you went through the process and it gets even more exciting the deeper you dig into the eq sections and mic'd versions. I'd love to hear some audio if you decide to post them!
Plattino wrote:Yes the audio demos on Michaels website are far from what GTR-VTX can sound like - IMO.
Anyway I bought it because I was just curious :-) And I thought to myself: "C'mon its from Michael, there must be something good in it" :-)
I'm honest, my first try was a real disapointment.
I thought the level is much to low and the sound needs more mids and highs and so on. But then I found out what @vicnestE already mentioned in his post. You have to shape the sound before and after Nebula and then you will get what you expect from it and so much more!
So my advise is choose a GTR-VTX AMP preset in Nebula and put a good digital or analog overdrive/distortion in front of it. I tried the ones in Amplitube3 and Guitar-Rig4 with great achievements and then I tweaked only one neutral sounding eq after Nebula to shape the sound. Brutally rised the mids and also the highs. Sometimes you need to cut the lows a little bit. That's all. For clean sounds just rise the volume and/or put a compressor in front of it. Then again tweak the EQ after it.
I'm very enthusiastic what comes out of my speakers now. I never got such a dynamic and "tonerich" sound from any amp-sim in the box outhere! I think it's reacting like a good miked amp. If I find the time I will post some audio-demos so you can hear the sounds you should hear on Michaels website ;-)

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Re: Any opinions yet on CDSoundMaster's new GTR-VTX?

Post by richie43 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:01 pm

Great response. Thanks for giving us some clarifying details. As always, even when being questioned, Michael Angel answers with grace and patience. This new library IS hard to really understand, at first. But as he said, if you dig a little bit, you may appreciate it more. And as is many other Nebula libraries, this is all about the cumulative build-up that happens when you have multiple instances of Nebula and how it can affect your audio, not a "whiz-bang-blow-your-mind" effect.
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