AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by Tim Petherick » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:18 pm

Yes maybe select line amp in nebula?! then your urs.

I did try this with another algo comp it was ok but sounds messy .

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by highvoltage » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:45 pm

Yeah, sadly with short attacks, nebula misses some transients, and emphasizes others.
You can try this simply by looping a snare sample with heavy gain reduction. Depending on your tempo, the engine will rhythmically 'miss' some transients, sometimes even 4-5 dB softer than the normal attack loudness. This makes it very very unpredictable (quite contrary to what a limiter/compressor should do)

But i agree, the tone is super. But thats no news with nebula :)

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by dpclarkson » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:59 pm

Read this thread:

http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... =viewtopic

It actually helps, at all cost of cpu, though.

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by Tim Petherick » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:32 pm

dpclarkson wrote:Read this thread:

http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... =viewtopic

It actually helps, at all cost of cpu, though.
Yes this helps the overall clarity but unfortunatly nebula is not running fast enough and evf can't deal with the transients in the correct way , so you get a slap/pop , 1176 does not sound like that on fast attack times . A 1176 runs at about 0.02 to 0.8 mill on the attack ,thats really fast even at max attack!So that means nebula is close the when nebula is at lowest attack to what the hardware is running at max attack!



you can get a bit closer by doing the xml edit which sounds better than the ahead function . then increase the timed mode a bit more.

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by Raynorshyn » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:52 pm

timp wrote:
dpclarkson wrote:Read this thread:

http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... =viewtopic

It actually helps, at all cost of cpu, though.
Yes this helps the overall clarity but unfortunatly nebula is not running fast enough and evf can't deal with the transients in the correct way , so you get a slap/pop , 1176 does not sound like that on fast attack times . A 1176 runs at about 0.02 to 0.8 mill on the attack ,thats really fast even at max attack!So that means nebula is close the when nebula is at lowest attack to what the hardware is running at max attack!



you can get a bit closer by doing the xml edit which sounds better than the ahead function . then increase the timed mode a bit more.

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the reason people are saying this doesn't react at all like a real 1176 (I've never heard one myself), is that a Nebula med attack (without the worst of the erratic behaviour), is still way too slow compared to any setting on a real hardware unit?

I have relied on YouTube to hear what a real unit does for snare (a joke, I know), and I believe I can hear whats being described, but the super fast attack, with no transient sounds too extreme and might be suited for parallel compression. I'm obviously missing something (I should probably rent one).

Also I have tried Fabfilter Pro C in front of 76D just taking the peaks off in Clean and Opto modes, also with the Rocket compressor, and although I hear the leveling working, it messes with the sound too much. What are the remedies (specific units and settings... please?) for getting around Nebs faults and not flattening its character?

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by sfunk » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:53 pm

I have used this more and i have to say, being totally 100% honest, i can't figure out why Alex released this. It sounds nothing like an 1176; the "tone" does not make up for the fact that the behavior of the time constants isn't there. The attack and release behavior is responsible for a considerable amount of the 1176's tone.

If the compression aspect of Nebula ever gets improved will these libraries sound better or will they need to be recaptured?

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Post by david1103 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:01 pm

for me to be 100% honest, while i do love what alex has done with eq (not tried the consoles), i am reading this thread with disbelief.

people seem to be saying its ok to advertise this compressor with:

"The legendary technique of pressing all four Ratio buttons in simultaneously to give a really over-the-top distorted compression and the ultra-fast attack time and trademark sound have lured legendary artists and studios."

and then say not to worry it doesn't actually do the fast compression (the whole point of the compressor) but the "tone" is great!!?? that's called a 'pre amp', not a compressor. come on guys... this is false advertising, not good :(

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Post by AlexB » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:08 pm

david1103 wrote:...

"The legendary technique of pressing all four Ratio buttons in simultaneously to give a really over-the-top distorted compression and the ultra-fast attack time and trademark sound have lured legendary artists and studios."

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If you read carefully you can note that this is referred at the original hardware.
Again, in the manual I suggest to use it as a limiter, (yes, this is a limiter) to control the peaks with a few dB or GR. If you want to squash the sound then this isn't your "compressor".

The 1176 sound is not only by line amp or attack release timing but it comes from the FETs and his characteristics rise time which Nebula, unfortunately, can't emulate. This is possible only with a specific analog modeling or a new implementation in Nat3 to sampling the rise curve of the various components that controls the GR.

However there is a Free Demo.

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Post by richie43 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:16 pm

Good reply Alex. I would LOVE it if Nebula could emulate fast compressors better. But it can't yet, and these ARE emulations. They will never completely mimic the hardware that was sampled, but they are still amazing tools for the digital audio artist. Let's just remind ourselves of this fact, we are trying to mimic something and may get great sound, it is still not the hardware. Use the tools in the ways that best serve your work or art, period.
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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by BLUESMAN » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:58 pm

I think it sounds very good, but not with the typical behavior, just put it in front of you favorite 76 comp und hear.
Small demo:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8942445/drums76 ... 0after.wav
I like it a lot.

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Post by sfunk » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:31 pm

AlexB wrote:
david1103 wrote:...

"The legendary technique of pressing all four Ratio buttons in simultaneously to give a really over-the-top distorted compression and the ultra-fast attack time and trademark sound have lured legendary artists and studios."

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If you read carefully you can note that this is referred at the original hardware.
Again, in the manual I suggest to use it as a limiter, (yes, this is a limiter) to control the peaks with a few dB or GR. If you want to squash the sound then this isn't your "compressor".


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Alex with all due respect this answer is a bit disingenuous. Why put that blurb there in the first place if it doesn't pertain to your Nebula program? Why didn't you openly say right from the word go that this would not capture the time constants or aspects of the FETs response and would not behave at all like an 1176?

Sorry if that sounds confrontational but i have bought a lot of programs from you and loved them. This one has me really scratching my head thinking "why did he release this?!" I may as well just use the UAD 1176 and get something that at least behaves in a way i am used to.

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Post by Mercado_Negro » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:30 pm

I know this isn't a good advice for some people but since AlexB pretty much nailed the sound of an 1176, why don't you use an algo version for actual compression and AlexB's for colour? Waves' CLA-76 sounds very close so don't use it with it, you'd be doubling the color, so to speak.
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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by dpclarkson » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:44 pm

Even though the dynamic behaviour isn't a 1:1-copy
of an original 1176, the 76D still beats the crap
out of a lot of other hardware comps and is still
very useful for more than enough tasks.
Yes, I'd also like more accurate compression
and distortion in Nebula, but keep in mind that this
is a tiny company with just a handful of people
addressing product support, sales, server issues,
cuda/dsp issues, etc, etc. When you're with
a team of, say, less than 5 people, it's sometimes
difficult which priority comes first.
I'm sure it will be addressed.
In the meantime I'm tweaking away with the engine and loving it!

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by Definity » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:04 pm

Well im jsut using nebula for the depth and color im using waves 1176 for the quick attack release times

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Re: AlexB - 76D PRO : Dynamics Collection by Fet comps !!!

Post by marcpl » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:33 pm

alex, congratulations on the release...can't wait to add these to my collection.

you listed these as mixing tools. would they also be suitable for mastering?

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