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Cassette Deck 2- HUGE update

Post by Cupwise » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:12 pm

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check the latest posts for info about the new (2017) update!
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The set was made with a deck with a very smart design, which can play/record at double speed. I'm not going to go into more details about that stuff here, because my site has that info, and the manual. Instead, I'll compare it to cassette deck 1. I've had people email me, telling me they loved Cassette Deck 1's lo-fi sounds. I did too, but I wanted at least a few effects that didn't filter heavily, and could be used as subtle tape enhancers to give harmonic saturation. This set delivers that. There are some HUGE lo-fi effects with it too. :D



EDIT- demo effects are up now!

http://www.cupwise.com/CassetteDeck2.php
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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2

Post by marcpinol » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:03 am

I was one of those Cassette Deck 1 big fans! Actually, I was so fan that I bought a Tascam 122mkIII last week. Now I'm in love with cassette dynamics, but also with the wow & flutter, the crazy tape crosstalk and all that strange artifacts that made a mix freakier :-)

Even though I have a real cassette deck, I have to say that the demos sounds dope and I'll probably bought it sooner or later.

Congratulations, Tim!

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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2

Post by Cupwise » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:45 am

ah! yes the tascam is a pretty cool deck. i like the pitch variation knob- you can get some intense effects twiddling that while playing/recording. using feedback through your d/a a/d loop while doing that, you get a flange-like effect that's pretty huge.
this whole track of mine:
http://cupwise.com/music/4-A2D.mp3
used the deck as a master effect. i recorded the finished thing to several different tapes on the 122, and then just went through and picked which one i liked best for every 10 or so seconds, and edited the different takes together. it wasn't quite as thick before that...

-tim

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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2

Post by Cupwise » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:02 pm

i got the demo programs up. there are 3. there's one that's fairly flat all across the spectrum that can be used for some subtle tape enhancing. another has a bump in the high end that is pretty common with this deck. the last filters highs a good bit, leaving a huge, fluffy, bassy sound. the first two have 4k, the last 2k. in the full set every effect comes in 5 and 10k, so that's one limitation of the demos. the other is that they have had some of their dynamic steps removed, down to 16 from ~25.

the full versions ARE better, but these are still good. should work with free nebula.

-tim

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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2

Post by marcpinol » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:19 pm

Cupwise wrote:ah! yes the tascam is a pretty cool deck. i like the pitch variation knob- you can get some intense effects twiddling that while playing/recording. using feedback through your d/a a/d loop while doing that, you get a flange-like effect that's pretty huge.
this whole track of mine:
http://cupwise.com/music/4-A2D.mp3
used the deck as a master effect. i recorded the finished thing to several different tapes on the 122, and then just went through and picked which one i liked best for every 10 or so seconds, and edited the different takes together. it wasn't quite as thick before that...

-tim
This track is sweet, Tim! Kinda scary too, because is the kind of music I'm trying to do right now. Pitching ambiences, taking profit of the extreme tape crosstalk, etc. Some people think I'm sick, but man, I love to do this experiments so much... :-)

I just found by accident this AD/DA flanger thing a couple of days ago and I was like WTF. Really interesting!

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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2

Post by rhythminmind » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:36 pm

Demos sound great, can see this being a great tool to create dramatic transitions.
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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2

Post by the19thbear » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:17 am

In your demo at 1:24 (i Think)
WOW! That is the Sound of my childhood!:)
I love that Sound. Great job!:)

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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2

Post by Cupwise » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:30 pm

so i inadvertently sampled your childhood into a nebula effect?

i guess none of us knew the true power...

wait, what demo are you talking about anyway? now i'm a little curious to hear what this guy's childhood sounds like... ;)

heh

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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2- New effects just added!

Post by Cupwise » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:08 pm

ok so, i just got a lynx aurora 8, and have been itching to do something with it.

i added 4 more effects, sampled from each type of tape (I, II, III, IV), to the set. each done with the lynx. new effects are 3C, 8C, 9C, and 15.


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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2- New effects just added!

Post by lordnielson » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:57 pm

Aye, sounds good Tim! Lots of character here.

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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2- New effects just added!

Post by cpwade » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:07 pm

Tim, finally got a chance to load these in and have a listen.

Amazing and very useful! I can see using many of these libs on lots of projects and in lots of ways..

Thank you for your efforts and clever contributions!

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Cassette Deck 2- HUGE update

Post by Cupwise » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:16 pm

just sent out emails with info for and links to a huuuugggge update for this library. everyone should've got it, but since this library is so old now, some people may not even have those email addresses anymore. so if you bought this set way back when and didn't get the email for the update, contact me!

here's what's updated-


*Used the same method I used with Cassette Deck 1 to get a cleaner frequency response. The original programs had a 'jaggy' frequency response in the higher frequencies. This is due to wow/flutter speed fluctuations, which happen with any recording/playback medium that uses a motor. The fluctuations throw off NAT, which is the program used to create the impulses from the tone recordings, which results in the jaggy response. Sometimes you could hear it as a subtle 'sizzle' in the high end. Now the sound is perfectly smooth in the high end, like it should be.

*Edited/trimmed every impulse using techniques I've developed since originally releasing the library. This makes sure that the programs load and sound exactly as they're supposed to. The old programs had some impulses that were out of sync, dynamically, especially in the higher dynamic steps. This would result in a very badly distorted sound if you drove the input too much. Now you can drive the programs a lot further and still have very useful results. The usable range of the sampled dynamics has been fully realized finally. This and the first update listed are HUGE. The effects are completely different now, they're improved that much. You can get all sorts of interesting compression effects by driving the input differently, where in the old versions you'd just get bad distortions.

*Adjusted how the dynamics are handled internally, resulting in even more improvement to authenticity.

*Removed Attack control, the attack is fixed (and customized) internally to be as close to instant as possible with this type of Nebula program. Release control is still available, but with a much extended range. Now this control is actually useful and can be pretty great for fine tuning the dynamic response a bit. Increase it for a smoother result when driving the programs.

*Removed liquidity control. No need for it.

*Weeded out a few bad impulses that caused flaws in the sound of some of the programs.

*Weeded out a lot of harmonic impulses that contained only noise, no actual impulse (the lower sampled dynamic steps especially). These contribute nothing but still take resources. Removing them improves CPU use, RAM use, and the programs/vectors take up less disk space and load faster.

*Reduced kern amount for some of the programs because the higher amount just wasn't needed for those programs. Further reduced resources needed.

*Shortened impulse length for harmonics since in my opinion they don't need to be as long as the fundamental impulses. Reduced resources needed.

*Increased length of the fundamental impulses. In some cases this increases accuracy of the frequency response in the bass range, and maybe improves tone.

*All of the changes resulted in the CPU use being about 6-10 times LESS than the original versions, while the programs sound and work multiple times better than they did.

*Got rid of the different kern options, because the CPU use got reduced so much anyway. They aren't needed now.

*Removing kern options allowed me to simplify the program names so they look nicer.

*The category in Nebula where the programs are found has been changed. Now they're inside 'TPE' then 'C39' for 96khz and 'C34' for 44.1khz.

*Simplified the 'Generic' tape program. It was intented to be different from the others, and act as kind of a delay effect with a fixed repeating delay around 60ms. I cut out the delay because it didn't work out so well.

*About 3 programs had their harmonics lowered in level a bit, because they would get too loud if those programs were driven hard. It didn't sound very good.

*Updated the manual to finally have my logo (didn't have it back then!), and kind of touched it up a bit here and there. Also updated the graphs of the frequency responses. Put in new tips.
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Re: Cupwise release- Cassette Deck 2- New effects just added

Post by RainbowSix » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:22 pm

96khz-A DL link isn't working for me!

Other 3 good.

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Cassette Deck 2- HUGE update

Post by Cupwise » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:26 pm

can you try it again and let me know?

ALSO- i'm going to try to get new demos up soon. if you've never bought this library and want to check it out, don't download the demos right now. they're not representative of these new updates. i'll post here when the new ones are up.

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