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Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:26 pm
by Mercado_Negro
In the new update of CleQ-PRO AlexB included a HPF and a LPF. I used to use Mammoth's filters but these new filters from the Brown 02 EQ have just replaced them as my "go-to"!!

Very musical. I can get rid of hum and/or 'kick/bass' leakage from recordings pretty easily with this HPF and the original signal is barely affected (I've tried it up to 150Hz on vocals and it's amazing how they remove everything below and still keep the low end). The LPF is something I didn't expect to hear in the digital world ever, I can go down to 13kHz and it barely touches the signal, very very useful to make things sit better in the mix and keep their presence as well.

Though they're sampled at 96kHz they load pretty fast here and take almost nothing (about 10MB of RAM and 0.1% of CPU in Reaper).

Cheers!

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:31 pm
by SWAN
to conclude this thread - I got the Mammoth which is great but I also recently picked up Alex B S*L EQ and its LPF and HPF are excellent - plus the low end is heavy...

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:26 pm
by lipa
old thread I know.. but.. anyone compared filters from Modern Logic Eq and Classic Logic Eq? I`m looking for the most pure LPF for general mixing.. Mammoth filters somehow sound not good.. pretty harsh I think.. which is weird compared to its sweet Hi shelves.. Any other LP filters for nebula? Eric has one filter but it has some resonance.. something I don`t want this time. So.. CLQ or MLQ filters?? :P Happy Easter by the way..

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:44 pm
by elam
I don't own the MLQ Lipa,but I use exclusively the CLQ.
Keep in mind that you always have the option of the 1 kernel program ("Special programs without harmonic distortion").
On the paper/real world the MLQ is supposed to be the
lipa wrote:most pure
In use, even if I use the 3 kernel presets all the time,the 1 kernel preset still have "something going on". So it's not the purest or the most transparent filters,but for that, I think, you should look at algo.filters...
Good luck.

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:14 am
by lipa
Ok, thanks for response.. but I didn`t make myself clear.. I want and like the harmonics beef and kernels type of color.. I meant the amount of resonance in filter curves solely.. but I should just dig in the manuals.. I`ll do so, Alex prints nice curves..it can be read. Besides, I`ll probably go for the CLQ.. got and love Classic Logic Console and Dynamics, so why not have full path.. (we would like the Gate/Expander too!).
:roll:

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:20 am
by elam
lipa wrote:got and love Classic Logic Console and Dynamics, so why not have full path.. (we would like the Gate/Expander too!).
You'll not regret it.You're right for the gate but I think we'll need this infamous improvement on the dynamic side from Giancarlo.

That said you were right to ask too.It's all about doing your research and reading AND asking here,that's why it's called a community. ;)

As for resonance (for the CLQ) you're good.There's none.I was in your case a couple of months ago and wanted the same,after reading this post and PM a couple of Nebulites I bought it.That's a solid EQ.Be sure that you have a powerful enuff computer if you want to use "2 nebula instances" just for filtering PER track.

I'm out.I just let people who have both give you their thoughts.It might be more useful.

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:45 am
by Martinez
You know, I do a lot of High and low pass filtering when I mix and I've often thought that it would be great if they could make an Aqua (or whatever it's called) plug in like BX clean sweep.

You could make it so that you only turn on the filter that you need.
It's just such a pain in the ass having to pull up a instance of nebula for LPF and then another instance for HPF if you it for several tracks.
Having something like clean sweep but a nebula version would be very cool.

It would have to be like Alex's nice eq thing where the smoothest, nicest sounding filters were used and it would continually variable.

Hello any 3rd part developers?

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:42 am
by Cupwise
that would be quite a task if you want lots of resolution in the filters. think about it, however many positions sampled for the high pass, multiply that by how many you'd want for the low pass. that's how many samples you'd need. each would take around a minute to sample/record, but between each recording you'd have to adjust those knobs AND be precise about it. in fact the precision part would be pretty insane.

so lets say you have 50 cutoff points for high pass, and 50 for low pass (which probably wouldn't allow for smooth variable control too far into lower frequencies for the low pass, you'd actually probably need like a few hundred, just guessing). you'd have to sample every position of low cutoff, for each position of high. so thats 2,500 samples.

if you just sampled a cutoff and high pass separately, it's only 100. so that's 25x less work, insanity, disk space/ram/load times for the final product, etc.

it would be nice if there were a way to do it though, that wasn't insane, or so inefficient.

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:57 pm
by lipa
Thanks all for chiming in! ;)

I was posting several requests about GUI like N-Ten-At-4 or Nice eq (it`s CD SOundmasters` not Alexes` by the way..) but with swiches for more bands.. or filters..

I think it could be done NOT by making one gigaprogram but rather by joining many programs/nebula instances under one GUI-vst instance (having many nebulas controlled under the hood of one GUI)..

probably not easy to do.. but programs are there.. we just need GUI/Aqua/some programming work to be done..

Any 3rd party dev happy to do so? Duende like GUI with switch for every band that when clicked ON would load apropriate program/nebula instance behind. Easy? It could also load 1 kernel programs for playback and for rendering switch for full kernel programs.. Easy? and of course include oversampling.. hehe .. I know too many wishes.. :D

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:04 pm
by Cupwise
that would be a possible solution, but it couldn't be done by 3rd party. acustica (giancarlo) would have to drastically change nebula to make that possible.

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:15 pm
by lipa
So let`s all pray that mighty mr G will improove Nebula for that..

It really is an issue not only pain in the ass.. having to load and most of all switch between six windows to do 4 band eq + 2 filters is an issue stoping me from using nebula superior eqs most of the time.. I`m much faster using psp neon + 1 or 2 nebula bands.. but I would love to use all nebula stuff more often..
Speed and workflow is very important.. :P

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:17 am
by Famousbyfive
+1 for cl eq from alex. Ive barely touched another eq since I bought this and its really useful to have a clean version if signals are becoming too coloured. The filters are the absolute bollocks. BUY BUY BUY

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:20 am
by richie43
I just re-read this entire thread, and I know that the question is about Neb specific HP/LP filters, but..... While I love LOVE the ClEQ from Alex B, and hardly ever use an "algo" plug anymore, the finest, most "musical" and light-weight HP/LP filter I have used is the channel plugin from the Satson Console suite. I never use the console element, we all know that nothing can come close to the console emulation of Nebula. I also never use the other plug, the buss plug. But the channel plugin, with the console part deactivated, has very sweet sounding and easy to use HP/LP filters. Just wanted to pass that on. But for Neb, I also love some of the filters that Rhythminmind have released (can't remember the names right now, not at my DAW).

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:15 pm
by lipa
The filters are the absolute bollocks.
errr.. guess this means that they sound good :lol:

Guys, please let`s collectively think more about that Nebula GUI plugin to be developed.. maybe let`s start another thread for that.. I really think I could be relatively easy to do. We don`t need anything more than LiquidMix/Duende style GUI/wrap-around capable of running six or more instances of nebula under the hood with acces to parameters just like in zbukowskis` nebulaman or nebula setups (don`t know which one was that).. and that`s it. There are some free vst stacking plugins that already have framework for doing this (running some vsts inside one stack instance).
If someone did this and it looked good it could really bring nebula using to another level of speed and joy.
It could use filters (like duende), preamp section, maybe even tape + tape saturation sections, apropriate metering..nice gui, fast midi learn, oversampling function, reander/play mode (more and less kernels) and use all the libraries that already are done. Isn`t that sensible? That`s something I wished for for more than 2 years now.. ;)

Re: Best general channel HP and LP FIlters in Nebula?

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:28 am
by jesse.nemitz
I've found that the HPF and LPF on the Modern White Console by AlexB is about the highest quality / most flexible (sweepable on every frequency) filter in the Nebula arsenal. It's also native at 96k!!!

Another one I keep coming back to is S2N Vintage Filter (VLF,VHF) from a Langevin channel. That is an absolutely stunning 60s filtered sound.

It's also important to realize that frequency filtering is one of the best things that nebula does and you should definitely try and use nebula for this instead of digital algorithmic plugins as any "coloration" buildup is way better than nasty sound almost every digital plugin filter leaves you with (UAD moog filter is an exception though)