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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by djomardiaz » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:02 pm

Many thanks for this updatee!!, i love this comp, waiting for the email,you are the boss .
Paz hermanos.....

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by Andrums » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:37 pm

Just few days I bought 609A
Good comp
Waiting for update

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by ngarjuna » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:21 pm

This update has created a pretty major issue:

When I try to load the session I was working on right before following the installation instructions all 33609 instances come up as INIT. Did I just break compatibility with all of my past projects? That's something I cannot afford to reset, we're talking about dozens of projects (some of which might or might have recall sheets since the DAW is supposed to remember that for me!). Is there some way this update can be executed without breaking backwards compatibility?

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by ngarjuna » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:58 pm

Two more things while I'm thinking about them:
-the 5k normal BusComp instance is not working in my updated install; on my other machine (which I also updated) it is, but on this one it loads INIT. Any idea what went wrong there? All the other instances I've tried have worked.

-This is not related to the update but a question: the HPF on the normal BusComp programs have a really weird range; finding a frequency between 20 and 100Hz (which is the usual range I'd be adjusting my sidechain HPF to) is incredibly fidgety because the range is so huge beyond that. Just wondering why this was the case (maybe others are HPF'ing their sidechains much higher than I am, I'm not really sure).

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by Cupwise » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:05 pm

oh wow, sorry i forgot to mention that. i couldn't get this update to remain backwards compatible with the previous versions and still have the improvements that are in the updates. the only way it would be possible to have the update installed with backwards compatibility would be for you to create another nebula xml/dll setup for the new version, and keep the old version in the setup you used for the projects you had.

hopefully everyone still has the original archives they downloaded off of me when they bought. if you have lots of projects using the old set that you will need to go back to, you'll have to keep the old set installed. if you still want the updated set for new projects then you'll have to do as i mentioned and have another nebula setup with the updated set installed in another folder.

it's really unfortunate that this is how it is, but there's really no way possible to keep the backwards compatibility and still get these improvements. sorry.

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by Cupwise » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:14 pm

ngarjuna wrote:Two more things while I'm thinking about them:
-the 5k normal BusComp instance is not working in my updated install; on my other machine (which I also updated) it is, but on this one it loads INIT. Any idea what went wrong there? All the other instances I've tried have worked.
so both are the updated set but only one of them works? sounds like one was installed differently from the other. maybe you didn't delete the original n2v/n2p files on one of them?
ngarjuna wrote: -This is not related to the update but a question: the HPF on the normal BusComp programs have a really weird range; finding a frequency between 20 and 100Hz (which is the usual range I'd be adjusting my sidechain HPF to) is incredibly fidgety because the range is so huge beyond that. Just wondering why this was the case (maybe others are HPF'ing their sidechains much higher than I am, I'm not really sure).
it's never been too much of an issue for me because i use skins with the knobs where you can fine tune them. if you're using a skin with the sliders, isn't there a way to make fine adjustments? i think you hold like shift or cntrl while dragging the slider up and down?

yeah it has a high range for a hpf but i just like having more options in there.

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by Cupwise » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:19 pm

and i want to say that yes, it is a pretty bad mistake to fail to mention the no backwards compatibility, but i am a one man operation and i do err (quite a bit actually). :oops:

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by ngarjuna » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:23 pm

Cupwise wrote:oh wow, sorry i forgot to mention that. i couldn't get this update to remain backwards compatible with the previous versions and still have the improvements that are in the updates. the only way it would be possible to have the update installed with backwards compatibility would be for you to create another nebula xml/dll setup for the new version, and keep the old version in the setup you used for the projects you had.

hopefully everyone still has the original archives they downloaded off of me when they bought. if you have lots of projects using the old set that you will need to go back to, you'll have to keep the old set installed. if you still want the updated set for new projects then you'll have to do as i mentioned and have another nebula setup with the updated set installed in another folder.

it's really unfortunate that this is how it is, but there's really no way possible to keep the backwards compatibility and still get these improvements. sorry.
Ah okay, thanks for the update Tim. I guess it's decision time for me; if it were just me I'd make a setup and move on with the best of both worlds. But I'm in an environment with lots of (less experienced with Nebula not to mention engineering in general) hands in the pie and they already have to work around double wrapping (Metaplugin into FXpansion), reloading every instance manually (since Metaplugin won't resample anything on load correctly unless you work at 44.1) AND learning to work within the constraints of Nebula that we've all come to know and love...I don't think I can realistically add yet another left turn to their daily route. Of course the third party developers are powerless against that maze of a workflow (still it's hard to smile when you read about all these non-Nebula-related Acustica projects in the works when Nebula is still has so many rough edges). But maybe I'll go through myself and replace every instance myself; it's a lot of them but I really hate to knowingly use a less 'proper' instance of the compressor I use most just to save myself from a pita (albeit a big pita).

I mention all this out loud for the benefit of future developments and all developers, just to remember that in a production environment backwards compatibility is so, so critical. I say that not to take Tim to task he's a great developer and a great guy, several of his libraries are go-tos for me (and I suspect this is something he'll be thinking about in future releases) but just to put it out there. That said I also appreciate when Nebula developers are willing to take time out of their schedules to revisit a product which may not represent the same kind of cash flow as a new release. So I'm being genuine when I say "Thanks, Tim, for what will surely be a great update to an already amazing compressor product" despite the problem it might cause.

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by Cupwise » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:48 pm

yeah. sorry again. to be honest i don't know if it would be worth you going back and redoing all of those instances. if they already sounded good then they should be good with the old version of the set. i think the old version still sounded really good and to be honest the update just improves it by a few small % pts soundwise.

but at any rate it was either break the compatibility, or not do the update. my biggest mistake i think was forgetting to mention that on releasing the update. it is the first update i've ever done that i think actually broke the compatibility so its funny that i'd forget to mention it. oh well. if anyone ends up having serious issues due to this, contact me, as usual.

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by mightymosaic » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:36 am

Awesome job Cup! The Meters are DEAD ON. and the sound seems more natural. A+

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Smooth 609A Buscomp and YoureiB

Post by greekpeet » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:17 pm

Hmm, so I'm a pretty big fan of the sonic quality of Nebula in general but am very underwhelmed with the 609A.

Tried it on a ton of different sources, didn't seem to jive right on anything (including the master bus). I know about gain staging etc but the demo didn't convince me enough to want to purchase it.

Strange as this and even the Rayflex get a ton of love here, but didn't see the Rayflex as useful as well. Glad the 609 wasn't as confusing as the RF is (way too many options), but both are not for me.

Bought the RF based upon the reviews too. Kik, snare, basses, guitars, synths, etc makes them sound worse. These are great with a digital algo based plugin using the harmonics, etc, but as a compressor, pretty lackluster, sucking the mojo and transients out (in a wierd funky way).

CDSM's TDC and his new library are full of awesome sauce compressor and tone wise, so I know its possible with Nebula.

Maybe I simply wouldn't like the hardware?

Still want to give this library some hope as I love the UAD version. My buddy has it and put it on the master and mixed through that with amazing results.

This, not so much.

Could someone maybe shed a little bit of light on how they use it on the master and or group busses?

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Re: Cupwise Updates- YoureiB

Post by Cupwise » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:15 pm

i've just made another update to yourei B:

this one replaces the 2nd pass-through program, which i decided was practically identical to the 1st one and didn't really offer anything different. so i sampled the unit again. this time i made sure to set the two switches on the back of the unit to different positions than what were used for the 1st pass-through program (there is a switch that changes impedance for the input transformer, and another that adjusts input sensitivity). i thought i did that when i made the original 2nd pass through, but looking at it i think i goofed up and somehow used the same settings as i had for the 1st one. so this new one should actually sound a bit different. also it has the filters still on, but out of audible range, whereas the 1st one has them bypassed. and finally, the unit was hit with a pretty hot signal for this new one. you won't get super high-levels of saturation out of the program, but i think it does sound different from the first one now, at least.

as always, anyone with the set should be getting an email with update links.

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Re: Cupwise Updates- YoureiB

Post by david1103 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:54 am

Is this update working for everyone? It's not showing up in Nebula 1.3.505 for me! (I have tried everything)

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Re: Cupwise Updates- Pioneer SR-60 Analog Delay/"Reverb"

Post by Cupwise » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:26 pm

Resurrecting this old, general cupwise updates news thread to announce an update to a pretty old library of mine, the Pioneer SR-60 Analog Delay/Reverb. I think it was the first nebula reverb (at least 3rd party) to offer sampled adjustable controls in a reverb program. One of the first at least. Here's the info!

* Updated some program settings to be more like my recent reverbs/delays. I think this improves the dynamic behavior.

* Removed all of the programs that were set up as insert style effects, leaving only send style programs (only real difference is that the send programs load with 'dry' control dropped to minimum setting by default). Reduces clutter in the Nebula program select menu.

* Removed most of the various programs with different kern amounts, leaving only 2 options. Renamed these 'lite/clean' and 'full'.

* Fixed some issues with the dynamics in the actual impulses. Really, I did lots of editing to the samples that fixed several various issues but I can't even remember them all to list here. Lots of little things that I think add up to the programs just being nicer (one example I can remember is that the levels are more consistent as you adjust any sampled controls in the programs that have them).

* Greatly improved the dynamic response with fast inputs like drums. Could sometimes sound glitchy in the old programs, sound great now, nice and smooth.

* Removed lots of the harmonic impulses. There were just too many, and removing them improves performance. Quality was not hurt. Also removed most of the upper kerns for harmonics altogether. The impulse .wavs actually had harmonic content in most of them, going all the way up to 10k, but in actual use those upper harmonics come out at around -150dB. It kind of blows my mind that they look so loud and clear/well above the noise floor, in many of the upper harmonic samples, but yet they're somehow still so quiet in actual use. I would expect them to be below the noise floor in the samples. It's kind of a mystery to me but it is what it is, so I removed them. They're impossible to notice at those low levels. All of this lowered CPU use and load times.

* Some dry (non-delayed) signal existed in some of the impulses. Fixed/removed.

* Some impulses had the two channels out of phase with each other (inverted). This is how the hardware works, but it's not good because it makes the delay effect not be mono compatible. If reduced to mono, the delay largely disappears (not completely). I inverted one of the channels to fix this.

* Bionic Duet C had some phase inconsistencies between settings on the tune control fixed. Bionic Reverb C had phase and delay length inconsistencies fixed, so now the EQ control functions much smoother, as intended.

* Moved the library to the same category inside Nebula as my recent Super Time Tube release. That release also includes some samples from a unit very similar to this Pioneer, so having all of those analog delay effects in the same place makes for a more convenient user experience, in my opinion.

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Re: Cupwise Updates- YouRei HP/LP filters

Post by Cupwise » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:54 am

Just updated YouRei HP/LP filters. Probably still my most popular HP/LP filter release.
I've sent out update emails so if you own this and didn't get one (some of the emails are bouncing due to accounts that have been shut down), get in touch with me (contact form at my site or direct by email).

Here's the updates:
* Re-edited all impulses. Shortened the harmonic impulse lengths greatly (in the HP and LP programs, not combo), which lowers cpu use, load times, RAM use. Made a few other very minor improvements here.

* Reduced the HP and LP programs max kern amount down to 8k.

* Improved headroom in the HP and LP programs. In old programs the signal would kind of break up if you had an input signal starting to get over around -16dbvu. Now you can push it several dB further with most types of audio signals. Some inputs sound better than others when driven this way.

* Dynamic behavior updated to be like how I've been doing my latest programs.

* Removed most of the extra variations, leaving only two new versions- a lite/clean and full. Lite/clean has no harmonics.

* Fixed a slight issue with the level of the harmonics, which were too loud in the past.

* Simplified the harmonic structure for the combo program in a way that drastically reduces the sample count for the full version of that program, meaning shorter load times, less cpu and ram use.

* Moved the library to a different set of categories inside Nebula- 'CM4' and 'CM9', for 'cupwise mixing filters' 44.1khz and 96khz respectively. Three releases in my Mixing Filters series is already located there, so if you have any of those, you'll be able to have access to a lot of HP and LP filters all in one spot (so you can try different ones out quickly).

* Removed the liquidity control.

* Renamed 'drive' to 'dist' as I've done in all of my programs in the past several years.

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