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Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:05 pm
by deehope
Hey guys, I know Motown used custom built echo chambers but if you were going for a similar sound, what nebula reverb would be a suitable fit. Thanks

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:12 am
by RE301
I think the closest will be the excellent EMT 140 plate libraries from both VXNT & Cupwise (be sure to follow both developer's instructions for use closely, especially VXNT because it is demanding on your CPU):


Cupwise EMT 140 plates of legend

With the Cupwise you have the choice of two different plates, stereo & mono, as well as a unique (in Nebula) damper parameter to adjust reverb decay...

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:31 am
by RE301
The subject of physical reverb chambers is a very interesting one & there's a myriad of factors that add up to the 'sound' (physical dimensions of the space, surface materials etc).

It says a lot about chambers that part of the 'draw' of certain studios in the 60's was their individual reverb chambers, the properties & makeup of which were jealously guarded intellectual property.

Look at the example of Gold Star in LA, which became elevated from basically a low budget demo/jingle facility to an in-demand 60's 'hit factory' after a reverb chamber 'revamp' by the owners capping a nearly 10 year process of experimentation / trial & error..

They kept the chambers locked & the only known photo was made on the last day of the very last session at Gold Star when Maurice Gibb asked to see the chambers (the first and last 'outsider' to ever be allowed in)

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:45 am
by RE301
BTW - here's an interesting comparison (the commercial released mix of Marvin Gaye's iconic 'What's Goin On' was actually done in LA using -> EMT 140 plates for reverb...)

The unreleased Detroit Motown mix

The released LA mix

The whole album was mixed in LA using EMT 140's...

Further - here Motown career engineer Bob Ohlsson says they had 1 x EMT 140 / 2 x chambers at Motown Detroit:

"We had an EMT 140 and two live chambers that had been built in the attics of two of the houses." ... ounds.html

And check this out:

"Bob, just to be clear, the sound of the reverb on a typical Diana Ross vocal lead back then (such as "Keep Me Hanging On" or "Baby Love") was a mix of chamber and plate?

Two chambers an a plate or we could patch a slap machine, a Binson Echolette or a Fender spring reverb in place of the chambers and plate. It was totally flexible and each mix engineer had their own method.

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:40 pm
by myimo
Cupwise EMT 140 plates of legend. These plates are THE plates.
It blows any other plate out of the park.
The dampener control makes for an extremely versatile sound.
Plus the whole program is well thought out making it quick and easy to use.
I didn't need another reverb but I bought this the day it came out because of the "Cupwise" brand and started using it on everything, it made my huge reverb collection obsolete.
With Nebula its all about the sound and I finally get why this plate is on so many records.

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:49 am
by mathias
you can try my free "bathroom hd" reverbchamber 8-)

not suitable for everything, but sometimes it does the job perfectly.
put it on an auxchannel fully wet, if you need some equalization.
it's a real room, used as reverbchamber. by design it tends to be short :P
there are some others in the pack too.

i got great results in combination with the vnxt 240 plate, where it can act as a sort of earlyreflections generator, before it goes into the plate. it does a great job in moving signals back in the soundstage.
with a modular environment like metaplugin, this could be further refined (splitting the signal for the two nebulainstances and only feeding a bit of the earlyreflections into the plate; putting a delay before the plate to finetune the onset of it timewise).

nebula plates are great! and so is ear-reverb from analoginthebox!

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:19 pm
by deehope
Awesome stuff. I really appriciate it. I own the plate 140 and love it. Is it still worth looking into the cupwise plate?

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:39 pm
by mathias
yes :)

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:37 am
by souljah
Can you now recommend the best hall in Nebula

Re: Reverb Recomendation

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:15 pm
by Brian
souljah wrote:Can you now recommend the best hall in Nebula
I hear good things about the Signaltonoize and Gene S 6000 Halls.

The E. A. R. Library has some great ones as well, going by their reputation on this forum (I haven't heard them - but knowing which HW they're likely from, they should be nice).