Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I (UPDATE)

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Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I (UPDATE)

Post by Cupwise » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:10 am

YES

Not one, but TWO legendary plates. One stereo, with the solid state amp, and the other mono with the original tube amp. BOTH sampled with ADJUSTABLE damper controls. You can dial in exactly the decay behavior you want.

Lite versions- allow you to set up the programs and dial in the amount of damping you need and hear it in your mix, until you're ready to render. Then you can switch to the full versions. The lite ones lack the sampled dynamics and harmonics, so they are basically the equivalent of standard convolution impulses. Full versions bring the full power of Nebula to the models.

There's also a custom made EQ program with a fully variable high pass filter and adjustable gain high shelf. In my personal opinion, it's awesome for putting before the plates to adjust the results you get.

I've already written a lot about this release in the manual and at my site, so look there for more info! Right now there are 10 audio demos for you to listen to at the site. Currently no demo program. I'm not sure if I'll make one, but I'll be thinking about it over the next week. The problem is not giving too much away, but that likely means removing the sampled damper control and just giving you one or two fixed positions on said control, but that means taking away one of the key features of the thing. It'd be pretty crippled and wouldn't really give you a glimpse of what the damper control is all about and how you can use it to shape your reverb.

So, I don't know (if I'll do a demo program). As always, if you buy something off of me and don't like it all you have to do is get in touch and see about getting your money back. I won't hold it against you or argue! Maybe I'd provide some tips or suggestions first just to make sure you're getting the most out of it, and making a fair assessment, before offering a refund. But honestly I don't think anyone is going to be unhappy with this.

http://www.cupwise.com/fx/shop/plates-of-legend-vol-i/
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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by RE301 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:18 am

Wow (!!)

Having just checked the audio demos - sounds fantastic... incredibly realistic... seems very dark / full of character too :-) magnificent-sounding tails / decay.. there also seems to be quite a lot of range in the type of tones possible. (!)..

The way the settings react to the dynamics and (frequencies) of the audio going in sounds unlike what I've heard so far from other Nebula plate libraries (and it goes without saying, IR's etc) - behaves like the real thing!!

Thanks for this one - a stunning achievement!!

(Added later after downloading):

- Just wanted to note that its amazing how 'lean' the vector files (eg: not GB of data) are yet there is so much detail, complexity & variety in the sounds..

- the manual is excellent with useful tips & essential information...

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Post by Cupwise » Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:33 pm

thanks RE301, really glad you feel that way! :D

i was just informed that i forgot to include the eq vector in the files, so i've corrected that. it should be there for anyone who buys now. i'm sending emails to the ones who already bought, with links to the vectors for that.

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Post by hifi3000 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:23 pm

RE301 wrote:Wow (!!)

Having just checked the audio demos - sounds fantastic... incredibly realistic... seems very dark / full of character too :-) magnificent-sounding tails / decay.. there also seems to be quite a lot of range in the type of tones possible. (!)..

The way the settings react to the dynamics and (frequencies) of the audio going in sounds unlike what I've heard so far from other Nebula plate libraries (and it goes without saying, IR's etc) - behaves like the real thing!!

Thanks for this one - a stunning achievement!!

(Added later after downloading):

- Just wanted to note that its amazing how 'lean' the vector files (eg: not GB of data) are yet there is so much detail, complexity & variety in the sounds..

- the manual is excellent with useful tips & essential information...
I have to agree here. Just from listening to the examples via laptop-speaker, I can tell that this is an excellent reverb. Full of "body" and surprisingly good response to the different sources. Really great sounding shorter reverbs as well. Although I´ve just got me some older external reverb units, this I am getting for sure. Just to honour this lovely sound.

Thanks for quality.

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by david1103 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:28 am

Afraid the audio links do not appear in Firefox, only Chrome. I think that is because Chrome has it's own Flash player built in and the audio files are .swf. Flash is going away very soon, HTML5 player highly recommend!

Demos sound amazing, great sampling!

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by SWANG » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:06 am

david1103 wrote:Afraid the audio links do not appear in Firefox, only Chrome.
hmm, firefox user here, and all is working fine. :?

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by RE301 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:59 pm

Same here - was able to use the Cupwise site fine, play audio tracks, purchase / download etc using Firefox / OS X
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Post by david1103 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:05 pm

SWANG wrote:
david1103 wrote:Afraid the audio links do not appear in Firefox, only Chrome.
hmm, firefox user here, and all is working fine. :?
mmmm... do you have flash installed? It's not installed by default anymore, go to Add-ons > Plugins to see.

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by SWANG » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:36 pm

david1103 wrote:
mmmm... do you have flash installed? It's not installed by default anymore, go to Add-ons > Plugins to see.
sure do.

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by Cupwise » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:45 pm

if i had a lot of people telling me the audio clips didn't work, i'd probably look into spending the hours it would take to set up a different mp3 player at the site. but since i've never had anyone else mention it as a problem that's probably not going to happen anytime soon. i'm aware it's not the best player but i've already spent a lot of time trying to set up better ones and couldn't get them integrated into the site well, so i'm not exactly eager to jump back into that slog until i'm in a mood to overhaul the site and focus on that.

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Post by Cupwise » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:55 pm

it will probably be a while but at some point i think i'm going to add mono versions of the stereo plate (#1 Olympus), as i've done with my recent stereo reverb releases (recently Bee X-20). that includes a mono version using the left channel in the convolution samples for both channels, which is easy to set up (just go to kern page and click mono), but also one that requires a new vector which is a mono mix of both channels in the samples. i'm also thinking i might, for the first time with this release, make yet another vector with the channels reversed, which would allow a mono program using the standard program's right channel for both channels, and also an inverse stereo program. unfortunate that i have to make a whole new vector for that one but Nebula doesn't have a way of swapping channels built in.

that stuff might sound superfluous but i think it's probably worth it. i'll probably go back and do the swapped channel + right mono thing for Bee X-20 also. but again it will be a while, maybe a few weeks. just putting this here in case anyone wants to comment. i haven't ever got any feedback about these extra options (that i remember).

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by ericzang » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:08 pm

Would these new options provide something different than a simple channel routing (independent mute and pan for L and R, etc) plugin after the reverb?

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Post by Cupwise » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:55 pm

you can't get the same results with any kind of routing after the plugin.

for the mono left programs, which again you can set them to work this way yourself very easily by going to kern, then clicking mono, but with that setting nebula then ONLY uses the left channel of the samples contained in the vector (it discards the right channel of the impulses), to process both channels separately. so to get the same result with just routing you'd need two instances of the reverb running at the same time (in parallel), and then to route the audio you want to process, just the left channel to the left input on one of the nebulas, then the right channel of the audio into the left channel of the other nebula. then youd take the outputs of both nebulas (which would only have anything coming out on the left channels), send the first to the left channel of a new track and the 2nd to the right channel of that new track.

for the mono mix (which as i said requires a new vector), i would mix the left and right channels of all the samples in the vector, to create a mono 50/50 mix. so both channels would then have the same thing, a 50/50 mix of left and right. then when you run something through the resulting nebula program, both channels of your input is processed by that mono 50/50 mix (separately! this is kind of the key here). if you think of the stereo plate as being two reverbs in one (one on the left and the other on the right channel), this would be like mixing those two reverbs together, which results in a more dense, new effect.

you can't get that result by mixing the output of the standard reverb programs together. if you did that, you'd have a mono result. these mono programs don't give you a mono result. your left and right inputs going in are still kept separate. it's just a question of what they are being processed with. so to get the same result as the mono mix program, by routing in your DAW, you'd again need two instances (again, in parallel), and you'd send your stereo input into both, but youd swap/invert the stereo channels before going into the 2nd instance. then you'd swap them again after they came out of the 2nd instance. then you'd mix both stereo outputs from both nebulas together into one new track.

the inverted stereo version i mentioned wanting to make would be easiest to do in a DAW with the current program. you'd just swap the channels going in, and swap them back after they came out. BUT, the mono version i could make from that, which would use what is the right channel in the current standard stereo version, for both channels, again would not be easy to do. you'd do it the same way as the mono left one i described above, but using the right channel instead of left.

as you can see its a bit difficult to describe routing stuff like this, it makes it sound more complex than it really is, but the short answer is no these are not something you can get with quick and simple routing and in all cases but the inverted stereo one, you'd need two instances of the reverb running.

how different these alternate reverbs are depends on how different the sound is between the reverb on the left vs the right channel. in my bee x-20 high end spring release, the difference is pretty big, so there it's a lot like having another totally different reverb available. the difference isn't as great here but i think it's still worth doing.

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by RE301 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:16 pm

I definitely appreciate the possibility of a mono option!

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Re: Cupwise release- Plates of Legend Vol. I

Post by bryan7nebula » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:29 pm

The demos sound fantastic.

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