Cupwise release- C660 Comp/Limiter set - huge V2 update!!!!!

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Cupwise release- C660 Comp/Limiter set - huge V2 update!!!!!

Post by Cupwise » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:56 pm

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EDIT/UPDATE:
the set has been updated! former called 'creamy 660', now it's just c660! and that's the only update!

just kidding, there are a ton of updates! to see the list check out my latest post in this thread.
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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by dagovitsj » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:42 pm

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by Cupwise » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:36 pm

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by mtalavera » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:56 am

I was ready to buy, have to go and tease us like that ;)


I hope when you say soon, you mean in the next few days.

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by kels » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:45 pm

sounds great already !
man, I can't wait now ..
any chance for a pre-sale [ at discounted price of course as a little medicine to our frustration :mrgreen: ] ?

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by Cupwise » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:08 pm

hmm that might be a good idea. here's the thing-
the price is going to be higher this time. closer to 40$. if you consider that in the past my compressor releases have been split in two parts/releases which combined would come to at least 30$, it's not really that much more. with rayphlex & slick the split was between hard and soft knee versions, and with smooth it was between the comp and limiter.

but with this one i don't see any logical way of splitting the stuff that's in it, and i really don't want to split it anyway. besides i think my prices have been pretty low in general, maybe TOO low. and this one, i think, is special (not THE 660 but a highly regarded recreation). i've accomplished some things with it that i don't think have been done yet, and i may have put more work into this one than any of the previous ones. so price goes up a bit. but i might do a sale with the price closer to 30 for the first few days..

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by kels » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:31 pm

count me in the pre-sale if you keep this way :)

Generaly speaking, I've lot of success with your compressors which cancel totaly, in my point of view, Nebula's reputation regarding compressor in general. I mean, for EQ, it's commonly accepted that Nebula is THE way and that it's a little more difficult for comp. Love your SHQ versions also.

What about your tests on 'program dependent" attack/release you were talking about in the past ? Did you include part of this work in this release ?

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by Cupwise » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:59 pm

kels wrote: What about your tests on 'program dependent" attack/release you were talking about in the past ? Did you include part of this work in this release ?
yes. the attack, from all the tones i used to analyze it in various ways (different compression amounts, different frequencies, etc) was pretty much always the same with the hardware. it's always just very fast. the release varies depending on the amount of compression there is. this part i feel like i've nailed, and i might show a few pics showing the tones with comparisons between the hardware and these programs.

that type of program dependence is always there (with the hardware), no matter what release setting you use (although it does scale/change a bit depending on the time you use, and i have recreated that also). but there's also the two 'auto release' settings, which give a different type of what can also be called program dependence. it's where the release adjusts depending on how long there has been compression (typically with longer compression durations increasing the time it takes to release). i've been struggling with this, because there isn't anything built into Nebula specifically to accomplish this, so it comes down to figuring out some kind of trickery with the FUNs and connecting things in various ways. i've THOUGHT that i had it a FEW times, but then i always realize that it only works perfectly for the particular amount of compression that i was testing with. more or less compression throws it off. and that's the problem, and it's a HUGE problem, because it means that the programming side of it that i was using need to be a lot more complicated.

so i sat that aside for the moment and decided to release without that aspect. i'm HOPING that i can get it figured out (i've tried multiple different approaches with the FUN formulas and various elements, to try to accomplish this, over the past year now) and add it as an update, and it will be what i focus on after the release. if i can figure that out then i could incorporate that into the rayplex and smooth 609 releases (when i have time, and it would be a good way down the road because even though i like to update older things, i also need to keep moving forward). the type of program dependence that i have figured out already, i'm pretty sure is used by the smooth609 and slick hardware if not also the rayphlex, and i thought ahead and sent all the tones through those that i would need to analyze and compare and fine tune it (again those updates would be well down the road).

anyway i think it was always kind of assumed (even by myself when i first started doing comps) that that first type (release dependent on compression amount) was automatically handled by NAT when sampling, and i can say that that's NOT the case. it took some tricky rewiring of the programs to get it to work, and then a day or so comparing tones with vst oscilloscopes, between the hardware and my programs, and making tiny adjustments, reloading the program, etc. and doing that for various amounts of compression and for every sampled release time. it was pretty nuts. but i think the result is something unique.

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by kels » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:29 pm

but i think the result is something unique.
It does and I understand all the work behind which explain perhaps why I'am so happy with your lib. :)
Thanks for the infos - I knew this part of sampling was tricky after seeing people of UAD working on it. If we could figure a way to include it in NAT to handle it automaticaly, that would be a big step forward - almost a paradigm change which is what Nebula is anyway.

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by Melon_Jack » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:34 am

Mmmm... Can't wait to try it out) 609A was the one of the best (if not the best) compressor libraries for nebula imo. And i'm sure, that 660 will be the same :)

UPDATE:
O_M_G!!! I've tried demo and it's amazing!!! FAT BASS and VERY CREAMY VELVET ON VOCALS! I'll buy it. No brainer.
Sorry for my bad english =))

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by Tunca_Kucuk » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:30 pm

Why i can't enter your website?I can't download.
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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by Cupwise » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:24 pm

Tunca Küçük wrote:Why i can't enter your website?I can't download.
hmm no idea. but the link i posted goes straight to the file. you don't need to enter the website.
it's working for me right now. the link and the site. anyone else having problems?

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by martin87spencer » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:38 pm

Come on Tim, let's have it !!!
There are quite a few of us here with our fingers on the PayPal trigger !!!

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Post by harmonik » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:28 pm

martin87spencer wrote:Come on Tim, let's have it !!!
There are quite a few of us here with our fingers on the PayPal trigger !!!
Maybe he's just trying out a little Slate style coming-soon-real-soon-we're-so-close-almost-there-any-day-now-hopefully-really-really-soon marketing hype. 8-) If that were the case we'd just be getting started.

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Re: Cupwise release- Creamy 660 Comp/Limiter set

Post by Cupwise » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:41 pm

i have considered that marketing strategy after seeing a couple high-profile developer threads like that (can't remember the devs, seemed like one was cytomic). it seemed to help them get a lot of attention/hype built up before releases that way, and threads that just keep going and going. heh but i dont think that'd quite work out for me like that, although maybe i am using that strategy on a smaller scale ;)

but what happens is that i dont really have set plans or dates for when to do this or that. i have problems come up that i dont know when i can solve them, etc. so i just work until something is done, then i want to release it as soon as possible and start getting antsy. but after it's done there's all this other work that still needs to be done and for me that's really annoying. i have to set up audio demos, write the manual, do the page at my site, some final testing, etc etc etc, so sometimes i feel like just getting something out there to get some interest in the thing before i actually release.

plus i think with the last comp i had a fairly bad bug or two that i didn't catch before release and i had to scramble to get an update out quick, so i really want to go through and double/triple check everything this time, and maybe even releasing the demo before release can act as a sort of 'beta testing' to see if anyone catches any bugs in that... but i'm really thinking that i'll have this thing up later today.. my next post in this thread should be the announcement, unless something totally unexpected comes up.
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