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Re: Pirates !

Post by Will The Weirdo » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:15 pm

No Ilok please but what about what Steinburg usees? Their products are almost never cracked and the users are happy with the protection.

Maybe a DSP card like UAD? More processing power and a very secure platform.
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Re: Pirates !

Post by mtalavera » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:19 pm

richie43 wrote:Yikes...ilok. Is there an "ilok-type" alternative? Given the recent HUGE fiasco that ilok users went through (and some are still going through, MANY months later), I think adopting a Pace ilok with Nebula will be a big dividing line for many people. I think with the big push to make nebula more popular and usable, as well as more protected, using ilok will not be a good thing in my opinion. A dongle-style..? Maybe. But I think that an affiliation with Pace will drive many current users away, as well as any would-be potential users. Maybe start a poll......?
I agree that iLok would be a very divisive move for Acustica. I use an iLok every day and am probably one of the few users who have never had an issue with it, even during the fiasco of last Summer that caused so many people real issues. But even though I myself have never had any real problem with iLok, I know the potential is there for very bad things to happen. And from the developers perspective, iLok is not free at all, and has requirements on the developers side on what they have to do to their product to make it iLok compatible.


I don't think anyone would argue the need to Acustica to protect itself, its product and its investment. I'm assuming this is their full-time job, their carrer, what puts food on the table for them. They are in a tough position to have to defend themselves, yet not alienate any current or potential new users.


If they offered iLok, I for one would take that option since I already have one, but I would not suggest that be the only copy protection mechanism that they consider.


I fully support whatever direction Acustica chooses to go, because I don't want to live in a world that does not have Nebula continuing to be developed and become even more awesome than it already is (hard for me to believe it can be even better since I think it is so fantastic today).

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Re: Pirates !

Post by giancarlo » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:33 pm

ok we'll do our best, we'll check ilok too

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Post by zabukowski » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:52 pm

No issues here with iLok so far ...

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Post by enriquesilveti » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:06 pm

I don't like USB dongle protections or hardware based protections.
Anyway if customers prefer to pay 5 euros for a water coffee in a cardboard cup than in our company, we may stop developing audio apps and start a company based on military apps for spy people on facebook/skype/whatsapp, etc.
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Re: Pirates !

Post by Melon_Jack » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:12 pm

+1 for iLok. No issues here =)
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Re: Pirates !

Post by SpliffSplaff » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:31 pm

Hmm...seeing what my Buddy went through with ilok, i would vote against that and hope you guys come up with something else. Did you contact u-he? Whatever way you choose...ill accept and continue to use this fine product.

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Re: Pirates !

Post by kylen » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:31 pm

richie43 wrote:...Maybe start a poll......?
I vote for whatever keeps Mr. G and the gang in business, even something that exists already that works acceptably and doesn't cause unacceptable price or support pressure.

I have iLok and don't mind it, however I have never had any problem with it. Many, many people have had big problems and there is a lot of internet hate for the thing which could drive potential and existing customers away.

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Post by richie43 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:47 pm

kylen wrote:
richie43 wrote:...Maybe start a poll......?
I vote for whatever keeps Mr. G and the gang in business, even something that exists already that works acceptably and doesn't cause unacceptable price or support pressure.

I have iLok and don't mind it, however I have never had any problem with it. Many, many people have had big problems and there is a lot of internet hate for the thing which could drive potential and existing customers away.
You hit some of my objections. I am certainly not against a more thorough copy protection, I am a huge fan of devs protecting their work. I am not a fan of the dongle style, but I'd adapt if I had to, I guess. But while some people have not had problems with their ilok (good for you!), I personally know 3 studios in my area (Minneapolis, Minnesota area) that were completely unable to work from 1 5 months because of the last ilok debacle.... That's 3 studios in one metro area that I know of, the actual number of affected people is exponentially larger. I know that the problem hurt them quite a bit, and I would love to avoid the Pace protection. I would hope that Acustica will use something other than ilok......
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Re: Pirates !

Post by richie43 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:49 pm

enriquesilveti wrote:
I don't like USB dongle protections or hardware based protections.
Anyway if customers prefer to pay 5 euros for a water coffee in a cardboard cup than in our company, we may stop developing audio apps and start a company based on military apps for spy people on facebook/skype/whatsapp, etc.
To be fair Enrique, the resistance to ilok is rarely a financial issue, people here are willing to pay for some form of copy protection. I am confident of that. The last Pace debacle hurt many people (some are still having problems), and for some, it lasted many months with little help from Pace. Surely you guys are creative and resourceful enough to find a safer alternative.
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Re: Pirates !

Post by Will The Weirdo » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:35 am

Ilok 1 was cracked, and it's only a matter of time until Ilok 2 gets cracked.

I suggested the Steinberg protecton because it's yet to be cracked, and has little issue. U-he products have been cracked I believe, so that would waste resources.

With the issues Ilok had I would look elsewhere first, but it is your company and you have to protect you work. FWIW, I will roll with whatever protection scheme is devised. I have my Ilok account, I just hate using it, lol.
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Re: Pirates !

Post by dwagrimm » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:31 am

I will NEVER use an ilok. NEVER. that means automatically I have to go away from nebula if they use ilok? I get my money back from all the developers? when ilok is working so nice why are changing more and more developers there own copy protection from ilok to an alternative (Plugin Alliance, Waves for example)? maybe they want to sell some more stuff? to people like me? nice if ilok is working here for some people and maybe yes, acustica dont need single persons like me in the future. but this would be so sad. every protection is cracked in the past. this is not new. it´s ok to protect the developers stuff but why I have to pay for foolish thieves? sorry for my opinion. no ilok!

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Re: Pirates !

Post by myimo » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:54 am

So why all the talk about ilok which is expensive for every one involved and also a sales killer for many potential buyers due to Paces arrogance and bad service.

I recently bought AlexB - Modern Flagship Console (Excellent
by the way) It has some kind of copy protection which older Nebula libraries don't have. Has this been cracked? I don't think Alexb would release his work if it could be.
So whats the matter with this latest protection? Probably nothing.

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Re: Pirates !

Post by SWANG » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:48 am

i appreciate and sympathize with acustica's dilemma with regard to piracy. the fact that people are just downright ripping off a small-staffed and dedicated company makes me sad and - as a paying customer/supporter - offended.

having said that, i can't risk ilok protection. my system is far too "budget" and pace and its ilok product, it seems, are nightmares to deal with. i probably do need to upgrade my system, but i record and mix music with an old laptop. for now that's the best i can do, but i want to keep trying. i've resisted using dsp cards like uad because in addition to the cost, my old laptop just can't accommodate such a system.

what will a loyal customer like me do once these new systems are executed? are my days as a nebula user numbered? i certainly hope not. my discovery of this amazing product and the third party libraries have changed my music and, by extension, my life.

i will look forward to further discussions and developments on this subject. i have high hopes that giancarlo, enrique, antonello and the rest of the team will take care of us longtime supporters of their revolutionary work.

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Re: Pirates !

Post by richie43 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:01 am

Worst case scenario for us "no ilok"ers is that we wouldn't be able to buy new libraries after the ilok goes into use. We will always be able to use whatever version of Nebula that exists before ilok, and all of the current libraries will continue to work. I do think that not all of the library devs will be interested, so this whole thing could get weird before it's over. Whatever is decided, I suppose we all need to be supportive and positive.
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