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Re: Pirates !

Post by cps418 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:56 pm

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Cupwise wrote:yeah i feel that at some point this thread is just going to serve as an advertisement for the pirated stuff.
This might sound kind of bad, but this "nebula pirate preset" thing just might be a positive thing. Seeing how the pirates all came in giant herds for the presets they must really see something strong about what these presets do. So with this full blown pirate advertisement it's now time for nebula to grow into the next generation, (PROTECTION) is the key word. Just look at "Analog In The Box". As far as i have seen very little pirating of them (protection), mucho pirating from alex
(no protection). So with an "A.I.T.B." type of protection and with this pirate advertisement a new generation of opportunity could come out of this.(But now you will be on the protection chase like "Waves" trying to keep up with the pirates.
Talk about "piracy", it's funny to see the last few post do just that.

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Post by cpwade » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:15 pm

Protection is clearly the next step. I have syncrosoft for Steinberg. Good suggestion but I hate dongles (speaking as an ilok user).
Ik Multimedia or even DSP Quattro have web based auth, I like that better and it's effective. Stephano sends notes as well, let's you know when something changed. Totally personalized. Most Iron clad was Bias Peak, also web based like AITB.

Raising of lib pricing as well.

Be nice to see a paypal donation set up like a hurricane relief fund.
It will kick start the goodwill and incentive again maybe.

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Post by koda » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:21 pm

If any developer at any time using challange/response protection, decides to close his business, he should be fair to his customers releasing updates without protection.
This solves the problems. Just protect the libs until your in business.
I disagee with AlexB on the "advertising" effect.
I think the exact opposite. I think that Waves is somehow damaged from piracy since is already well known wordwide, they don't need advertising.
In this case pirated libs imho contributed to a great extent to making nebula known and appreciated where it did not yet arrived, even as a re-proposal where it was tried maybe years ago and then left apart.
As a poster up above wrote:
we are no longer a secret club of crusty super-anal audio scientists or artists
Nevertheless, an amazing time, we have been "outed".
This was the unrequested but useful part of all this story. So move on with protection but now you have a far wider audience than before.

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Post by cpwade » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:34 pm

koda wrote: So move on with protection but now you have a far wider audience than before.
Indeed. If you all want to help, instead of expressing sympathy, dismay, betrayal, anger and moralistically high roading..

Go on a lib buying spree. I just did. Man what a fun way to show support! :P

Wait til the wife sees the the card statement..

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Re: Pirates !

Post by david1103 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:08 pm

cpwade wrote:Protection is clearly the next step... Raising of lib pricing as well.
And goodbye community, goodbye trust, goodbye everything that makes Nebula great. Why not just sell the technology to Waves and be done with it?

I am sat here looking at MY laptop i paid for to do what i please with, not some virtual software prison that someone else holds the keys to, to me software protection is MALWARE on my system working against my best interest. I am expected to pay for this?

Copy protection outdated, backwards looking and self defeating. It hurts sales and spoils the relationship between the company and the user. Nebula is all about community. Its easy to get fooled, it seems like a solution to a problem, but the problem is extremely complex and copy protection is a simplistic and ineffective knee jerk reaction.

Go and look at one of the NFO database sites and see that every bit of software that was in demand has been cracked. The evidence is all there in black and white, even if you wish it wasn't. Have people forgotten that software protection DOES NOT WORK? Why do people want something that does not work?

Developers like Cockos have chosen to trust their customers to the point of zero copy protection. What has happened to their company as a result? Massive vibrant community and a fantastic product. Reaper and Nebula do have a similar background story, very small development team and mass community involvement. Can you imagine what would have happened if Reaper launched with an ILok?

Adding copy protection is much worse than it seems. It doesn't only cause inconvenience and risk possible disaster, it changes the relationship between the user and the company in a negative way. If you feel the same speak up before its too late.

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Post by Mplay » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:58 pm

I agree David. Eventually all CP fails! Please have more faith in your customers to keep buying your libraries! I think Nebula is already losing customers with it's current protection. I know I don't like the fact that I depend so much on software that I can't install on a new pc or when a disk fails without requesting a new key. A problem someone who uses the cracked version doesn't have!! If anything you should switch to a serial or key, so paying customers can have the same convenience and the pirates have one argument less for not buying Nebula.

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Post by cpwade » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:27 pm

david1103 wrote:
cpwade wrote:Protection is clearly the next step... Raising of lib pricing as well.
And goodbye community, goodbye trust, goodbye everything that makes Nebula great. Why not just sell the technology to Waves and be done with it?

I am sat here looking at MY laptop i paid for to do what i please with, not some virtual software prison that someone else holds the keys to, to me software protection is MALWARE on my system working against my best interest. I am expected to pay for this?

Copy protection outdated, backwards looking and self defeating. It hurts sales and spoils the relationship between the company and the user. Nebula is all about community. Its easy to get fooled, it seems like a solution to a problem, but the problem is extremely complex and copy protection is a simplistic and ineffective knee jerk reaction.

Go and look at one of the NFO database sites and see that every bit of software that was in demand has been cracked. The evidence is all there in black and white, even if you wish it wasn't. Have people forgotten that software protection DOES NOT WORK? Why do people want something that does not work?

Developers like Cockos have chosen to trust their customers to the point of zero copy protection. What has happened to their company as a result? Massive vibrant community and a fantastic product. Reaper and Nebula do have a similar background story, very small development team and mass community involvement. Can you imagine what would have happened if Reaper launched with an ILok?

Adding copy protection is much worse than it seems. It doesn't only cause inconvenience and risk possible disaster, it changes the relationship between the user and the company in a negative way. If you feel the same speak up before its too late.

Nice counter point. Thank you. It's what makes these forums great.

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Post by AlexB » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:50 pm

To my side, as I have said months ago, I have planned to upgrade all programs and if I'll do this it will be CP. The cracked libraries will be obsolete in comparison, so the CP is a good protection for both: developer and customer. If you dislike CP you can still use the old release. Personally I have all my software original and all with CP (syncrosoft, ilock, serial exchange...) and I haven't had any problems.
I don't like that a stupid guy uses the same software than a honest customer, and this stupid guy boast himself to have this fantastic sounding emulation. Sorry, it's my point of view and it is like the balls... Every one have his. :lol:
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Post by Antonello » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:10 am

I love this topic.
I think that a balanced solution is the right solution.
The Copy Protection is necessary...without exasperating the customers...

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Re: Pirates !

Post by mr.tele » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:53 am

Mplay wrote:I agree David. Eventually all CP fails! Please have more faith in your customers to keep buying your libraries!
I agree. Here's an interesting point of view:
"Gaiman on Copyright Piracy and the Web"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

I know it's about books rather than software, but interesting nonetheless. I think david1103 makes a valid point about Cockos, as well.

A question to developers. Have any of you yet noticed a drop in sales since this piracy began?

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Post by richie43 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:34 am

mr.tele wrote:
Mplay wrote:I agree David. Eventually all CP fails! Please have more faith in your customers to keep buying your libraries!
I agree. Here's an interesting point of view:
"Gaiman on Copyright Piracy and the Web"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

I know it's about books rather than software, but interesting nonetheless. I think david1103 makes a valid point about Cockos, as well.

A question to developers. Have any of you yet noticed a drop in sales since this piracy began?

While any CP can be cracked, it at least is not just handing over the software to the "free sites", someone needs to crack it first. I do quite a bit of testing for many plugin devs (not just Nebula/Aqua devs either), and I have seen a few circumstances where some very mild CP at least sends a message to "crackers" that someone cares and is watching. It's like seeing a security guard..... They are not police and can't arrest you, but they are present to deter some people from "going there".
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Post by cpwade » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:22 am

Perhaps more than anything, it's a sense of security to get everyone going again knowing maybe it won't be in vain.

Imagine spending weeks rebuilding and imaging a vintage console, all the while thinking that your work might be ripped off.

Although, that is the norm in the music industry. :roll:

But we alway keep right on writing, rolling tape and printing don't we?
That's that best part. It's still about love for the craft. No one can take that. :D

Let's just get on with it shall we?
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Post by Mplay » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:06 am

I do get it must hurt, seeing your libraries pirated and I'm not against CP per se. But I wouldn't want to lose potential customers over it. At least some of the pirates should be potential customers and are just trying before buying. Hopefully Nebula has some hidden CP that will kick in. I know Urs from U-he mentioned his cracked synths have delayed cp and he can tell as he sees he's sales go up when it kicks in. Still he manages to use just a serial. I'm always glad to give him my money.

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Post by lordnielson » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:48 am

I wonder if the hardware companies would have liked to use copyright protection ?

After all we are copying their (for some lifelong) work. Cheaply and conveniently spreading them to the masses.

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Re: Pirates !

Post by dwagrimm » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:21 pm

...oh yes please make a copyprotection and make it more difficult or problematic to your customers yes please...
here a small information, every copyprotection was / is cracked in final. people they dont want to pay the developers without a cp will not pay the developers with a cp. you make it only difficult to the "payer´s". thanks.

...the best is an use of ilok... then I´m definitaly gone...

yes I dont like it to pay for stuff and other use the same stuff for "free" as cracked version yes but are you realy sure a cp will stop that? send a question to waves or softube or plugin aliance or else. are they 100% safe with a cp? I dont think so.

please push your stuff and dont wast your time with the wrong question. how much people here pay for the developers stuff? not enough? we all will lose some things sometimes . sometimes more sometimes less. thats not nice but it is. hey alexb thats the best way if you dont support the user they dont pay you. you do it right. yes thats cool but do you realy belife a cp make it better to you? and you can be sure I respect you and your work. you are my favorite developer.

I think the best way is if the developers act as one and contact activ the crackers pages. some will respect your work and cancel your cracked stuff. they do.

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