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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by beingmf3 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:10 am

richie43 wrote:
beingmf3 wrote: ...-> send -6dB -> ...
I found a few to be hot, but I just went in and edited the pad-in and pad-out a little, to taste, and saved them. Problem solved! :mrgreen: But none of mine were as extreme as you are describing. Can you try re-downloading? Is your fx send possibly set high as a default by accident?
Thanks richie – I'll try re-downloading. The levels are too far off to be correct!
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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by richie43 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:34 am

beingmf3 wrote:
richie43 wrote:
beingmf3 wrote: ...-> send -6dB -> ...
I found a few to be hot, but I just went in and edited the pad-in and pad-out a little, to taste, and saved them. Problem solved! :mrgreen: But none of mine were as extreme as you are describing. Can you try re-downloading? Is your fx send possibly set high as a default by accident?
Thanks richie – I'll try re-downloading. The levels are too far off to be correct!
Did you try emailing Gene directly through his site. he is very communicative and eager to help folks with his Nebula library.
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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by LouMarciano » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:37 am

Just used the Church5 1.6 sec on an aux send for a male vocal, with plex ahead of it as a delay ... it don't get much better than this folks! I'm very happy with this reverb. I usually use my hardware Lex PCM60 on vocals but on this particular track the combination of Plex and the Gene Lennon reverb sat better in the mix.

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by Barendse » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:14 am

beingmf3 wrote:Sorry but I have to ask again: nobody has the problem with the input levels???
This is one example I tried yesterday:
Voice @ -18dB max. -> send -6dB -> GL Reverb w/ FX level @minimum

Not only I get constant overload, with several programs Reaper will auto-mute the Nebula track – which means the output must have been higher than +18dBFS!
Nobody?
I have the same problem. The ouput is far too loud, even with the fx slider at 0 is sounds distorted. I don't understand what's going on, previous release did sound great.

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by richie43 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:23 am

Has anyone tried to contact Gene directly, like through his website? Some developers have other lives and don't frequent this forum like us crazy Nebula users......
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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by Barendse » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:00 am

richie43 wrote:Has anyone tried to contact Gene directly, like through his website? Some developers have other lives and don't frequent this forum like us crazy Nebula users......
I did.

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by Owen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:29 pm

I'm having a similar issue. I'm guessing if you were using it as a send that it probably wouldn't be so much of a problem as you can alter the levels going in. I've asked Gene if he can post something here.

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by robsogge » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:45 pm

beingmf3 wrote:Sorry but I have to ask again: nobody has the problem with the input levels???
This is one example I tried yesterday:
Voice @ -18dB max. -> send -6dB -> GL Reverb w/ FX level @minimum

Not only I get constant overload, with several programs Reaper will auto-mute the Nebula track – which means the output must have been higher than +18dBFS!
Nobody?
yes I do have this same issue... using the reverb as a send though so I just lower the bus gain (like-24db) :)

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by djomardiaz » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:46 pm

I have this librarie and yes, i need to put the fx gain at 0 and put down the output gain in nebula and thesend fader too xDD, its toooooo loud!!!!
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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by dagovitsj » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:32 pm

Same here, it did help to turn down the FX slider, but it's very loud compared to for example EAR and EMT140. It would be very nice to have this lib "calibrated" to the same output as the two aforementioned libs. That said, I like this reverb very much ;)
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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by Owen » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:28 pm

I've asked Gene this evening if he could look at this thread.

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by jpchartrand » Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:42 pm

Barendse wrote:
beingmf3 wrote:Sorry but I have to ask again: nobody has the problem with the input levels???
This is one example I tried yesterday:
Voice @ -18dB max. -> send -6dB -> GL Reverb w/ FX level @minimum

Not only I get constant overload, with several programs Reaper will auto-mute the Nebula track – which means the output must have been higher than +18dBFS!
Nobody?
Same problem here. Very annoying.

I have the same problem. The ouput is far too loud, even with the fx slider at 0 is sounds distorted. I don't understand what's going on, previous release did sound great.

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by genelennon » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:31 pm

Hi all,

First, sorry for the delay getting back to you. The process of becoming an “Official Nebula Developer” caused a few issues with my original login account from the old website(long abandoned) , and the account I was asked to add for developer use. It is all cleaned up now.

As to my library levels, here is some backstory...my original release, was somewhat of a battle between me and NAT. Even using top pro converters, I was not satisfied with the results I was getting, particularly in my early attempts. I tried Digital to Digital and the best analog hardware and I could always hear a little metallic edge to the sound and I frequently had artifacts very low in the reverb signal. They were noticeable if you soloed up the reverb return and listened to the entire tail fade out at high level. This was not going to work for my use, and I was absolutely not going to do a commercial release with these kind of issues. First and foremost I had to be happy with the sound. After a few weeks of experimenting with the various NAT setting, as well as input and output levels, I was getting good results, but one of my “secrets”was to use conservative levels going into and out of the converters. This resulted in a far more realistic sound but with lower output levels from Nebula. After some more tweaking, I was able to get some of the samples to be essentially indistinguishable from the original, but levels were still a little low. Nonetheless, this astounded some of my producer friends who, quite frankly, did not believe that this could be accomplished. They encouraged me to do the commercial release.

To get 12 good patches, I had to abandon many of the original patches in the box that I wanted to use because no matter how many times I tried, some patches (particularly those with dense and complex modulation routing) still had artifacts. When I had 12 good ones, I did the release, knowing that I would continue to work on the process to get what I ultimately wanted.

I should interject here that NAT does allow a 2-part process where you can make adjustments to the wave files then do the deconvolve process. In theory, this would allow a standardized level. Unfortunately, using this method has resulted in secondary issues that I consider compromises in the sound quality, for the moment I have abandoned this approach. So, each sample is still done with individual input and output levels and the combination of the level variations within the box and NAT result in differing levels within the set.

Moving forward to the current set. I am now happy with the sound and happy with the headroom. I understand that the added gain is disconcerting to some, as are the differences between sample levels. From my perspective, these issues are not as important as the quality of the individual patches. I have tried to make this clear on the website before people purchase.

One of my first purchasers reported excessive levels that could not be trimmed using the Nebula input knob. After a few emails back and forth he let me know that it was resolved. He re-downloaded and reset some settings within Nebula that he had changed back to default. It was never clear to me which one of these two actions resolved the issue. There are many sets in use now with the exact same library with no issues, so this is still somewhat of a mystery. I have tried many things to reproduce it unsuccessfully. If you are having these problems, I invite you to contact me and we will try to resolve them.

At this time I am not planing a third version of the current set. I am working on a 96K set. This sounds simple, but 96 seems to have its own issues.
If you are having technical difficulties or you feel that the set has no value to you, I invite you to contact me directly. My new email address for Nebula user issues is: support at gene lennon dot com.
Thanks to everyone who has purchased.

Gene

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by genelennon » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:57 pm

One more thing...
There is nothing wrong with using the original set if that is what you prefer. The major difference is in level and headroom. If you purchased after the release of the second set and would like to get the original set, send me an email. Personally I will not go back because I greatly prefer the second set, but I am having no issues with either set.
I will not offer multiple versions going forward. I will offer a free sample of future sets and make it clear that my sets will not work for everyones workflow.

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Re: Gene Lennon Nebula Libraries

Post by ericus » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:19 am

Hey Gene,


Just a few words to say that I absolutely love your Reverb lib...no buyers remorse here. :mrgreen:


Eric

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