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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by dream » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:09 pm

Very interesting, you make me wanna try to sample!

I've never tried the NAT system. How much time did you spend to understand the process in total? Did you find it difficult?
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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by lordnielson » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:11 pm

Animus wrote: I did Studio A Close and Far which are both under a second. There was something funny about them after I sampled them. THey were far less enveloping as the original and when running a sine wave (I do that to level match) I get this "motor boat" clicking sound.

I will try some plates next which are around 1 to 2 secs.
Wonder if one of the Delay sampling presets could be used.

Otherwise it must be to do with the Nebula engine. Like the problem with Cuda not being able to run shorter samples like eq's and preamps.

Never did reverb so I can't say.

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by Henry Olonga » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:16 am

Animus wrote:
dream wrote:You did a pretty good damn job!
To my ear those presets are really rich and full of harmonics.
Animus wrote: I can do one of the plates and put it up for you guys.
It'll be great!

At which reverb length did you start to find problems with the sampling process? You said room? So 0,7 second and less?
What about a couple of preset 1 second or 2 seconds long?

I did Studio A Close and Far which are both under a second. There was something funny about them after I sampled them. THey were far less enveloping as the original and when running a sine wave (I do that to level match) I get this "motor boat" clicking sound.

I will try some plates next which are around 1 to 2 secs.

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That's basically what I found when you get into the longer than one second territory. A kind of shifting of the stereo image across the spectrum. This is a complex beast that requires a patient methodology me thinks, so let me know how you manage with the longer tails. The shorter lengths to a large degree will be a simple affair. The plates and halls well . . . . . .that's why it's taken me months of experiments to get to where I am confident of a possible way through. Don't be surprised if you don't get a clean deconvolve with long tails though.. . . . . . . I wish you well though, perhaps you can crack something I haven't thought of

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by Animus » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:35 am

Henry Olonga wrote: Hi Animus,
That's basically what I found when you get into the longer than one second territory. A kind of shifting of the stereo image across the spectrum. This is a complex beast that requires a patient methodology me thinks, so let me know how you manage with the longer tails. The shorter lengths to a large degree will be a simple affair. The plates and halls well . . . . . .that's why it's taken me months of experiments to get to where I am confident of a possible way through. Don't be surprised if you don't get a clean deconvolve with long tails though.. . . . . . . I wish you well though, perhaps you can crack something I haven't thought of
hmm weird Actually it's the shorter tails I am having more a problem with. So you guys are doing a different process I gathered? You are sampling and Michael is deconvolving? I am sampling it directly with the NAT session templates Enrique sent me. I haven't noticed a stereo shift with longer tails but I will go back and look more closely.

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by Animus » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:38 am

dream wrote:Very interesting, you make me wanna try to sample!

I've never tried the NAT system. How much time did you spend to understand the process in total? Did you find it difficult?

It was very confusing and the documentation very sparse. I spent most the time just trying to find the resources I needed to figure out how to do it. haha But that's the Nebula way I think.

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by Animus » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:50 am

Uploading Rich Plate (1.9 sec tail). Give it about 30 minutes.

http://www.animusmundi.net/songs/RichPlate.zip

I will do a Room for you guys next.

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by richie43 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:14 am

Animus the sampling animal!! THIS is the nebula way, for sure. I love to see people so excited about the possibilities with nebula that they start making their own samples and giving them away. Very very cool!
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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by Henry Olonga » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:20 am

Animus,
Check your private messages. I messaged you a week or so ago and sent another today.

Interesting that we have had opposite experiences he he he.

I haven't got your programs yet and would like to when I get a moment in a few days. Michael and I probably work to higher tolerance level and may find subtle differences may warrant a remedy. I found many aspects of the long tails simply too different from the original. Granted, if you didn't have both it wouldn't bother most as I am talking about subtle differences. It's not just the slight stereo shift but also a tonal change, the depth, immersion, width and in addition the quality of the decay of the tail. May be hard to appreciate without high end convertors I think. These are the issues I have been trying to address for a long time as we would like the release to have the least difference between the hardware and software.
We are almost there as from early December I am home for a while. Anyway enjoy this incredible machine. It is truly one of a kind and is an immense addition to the Nebula family.

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by yr » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:45 pm

Animus wrote: I have the Samplicity irs and they sound nice but when I got the real M7 I realized they weren't accurate in terms of sound. The ir's are really bright compared to the real unit, at least in my experience.
I can imagine that the lack of modulation will make the IR's appear bright. I don't use them personally, so I'm hoping the Nebulized version will be better.

Perhaps Henry/Michael can find a way to minimize reverb artifacts and "smearing". I find that switching to timed mode doesn't really improve things, because it effects the early reflections of the reverb too much.
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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by meloco » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:55 pm

yr wrote:
Animus wrote: I have the Samplicity irs and they sound nice but when I got the real M7 I realized they weren't accurate in terms of sound. The ir's are really bright compared to the real unit, at least in my experience.
I can imagine that the lack of modulation will make the IR's appear bright. I don't use them personally, so I'm hoping the Nebulized version will be better.
Casey said that there's no modulation in M7.

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by yr » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:25 pm

If I remember it correctly, M7 uses less modulation then most reverbs, but I could be wrong..
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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by Cupwise » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:52 pm

i would think modulation would have the opposite effect, because the end result is going to be like phase cancelling. so instead of brightness, i would expect a kind of jagged response in the high end, due to the cycles of the sine wave being shifted around and NAT not knowing where they are, and you'd just get lots of dips in the response because of it. and also you'd get phase cancelling when nebula interpolates between the dynamic steps.

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by yr » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:10 pm

Cupwise wrote:i would think modulation would have the opposite effect, because the end result is going to be like phase cancelling. so instead of brightness, i would expect a kind of jagged response in the high end, due to the cycles of the sine wave being shifted around and NAT not knowing where they are, and you'd just get lots of dips in the response because of it. and also you'd get phase cancelling when nebula interpolates between the dynamic steps.
I was referring to the Samplicity IR's, but what you say can be part of the HF "smearing" I'm experiencing with Nebula reverbs.
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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by kkunkel » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:44 pm

Thanks for sharing, they sound great! Just curios, why did you sample them with only one kernel? Is that enough to get the full sound?

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Re: a couple Bricasti M7 presets

Post by Animus » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:00 am

kkunkel wrote:Thanks for sharing, they sound great! Just curios, why did you sample them with only one kernel? Is that enough to get the full sound?

I used some reverb session templates that Enrique sent me and that's the way it was setup. Will more kernals equal a better sound with a reverb? I thought it was more for stuff with harmonic distortion? I am seriously a newb at all this so bear with me. :D
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