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Re: Cupwise release: Rayphlex 661x2 A stereo compressors

Post by botus99 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:42 am

Bah, I hate being in a money dry spell. Can't wait to buy this sucker! :mrgreen:
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Re: Cupwise release: Rayphlex 661x2 A stereo compressors

Post by Cupwise » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:43 am

enriquesilveti wrote:Should be interesting if you can sample at SR 384 kHz = 96 kHz x4 in order to get better and small attack samples.
it's an interesting idea, but don't the prog rates go up as you increase sample rate?

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Re: Cupwise release: Rayphlex 661x2 A stereo compressors

Post by Gemini Audio » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:00 am

biomuse wrote:I tried the community version and yes, it compresses like an algo compressor. Congrats Tim!

Playing devil's advocate, though, I need to ask what tradeoffs are occurring here, if any.

My guess is that it's no accident that you chose a relatively clean compressor to sample for this release. Am I correct in assuming that, with this technique, you won't be able to sample a really thick, characterful compressor with substantial harmonic distortion or complex time-dependent changes?

Or have you really found a way to defy Nebulaic gravity here?
Actually i've discovered that same tweak when i was developing the "KultComp Tube" "Tube Harmonics" program and implemented it. This is not a compressor, but a very colorful program and it worked and sounded better. So this makes me believe, that thick characterful compressors will work with this tweak too.

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Re: Cupwise release: Rayphlex 661x2 A stereo compressors

Post by Cupwise » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:32 am

with all due respect, and i think your comp looks interesting and sounds nice from the demo, but i've done a little more than just a 'tweak'.

i was going to release this 2 weeks ago and i thought i had already improved on the compression behavior then, but it was brought to light that there were still flaws. so i went back and dug through the inner workings, the samples, and even did a little research on comps and how they work. i made MANY adjustments, and tested them.

so for a week and 1/2 i was just working on improving the response, with several changes done over many hours. i have a couple of pages worth of notes altogether (granted this isn't just from that period, some of it is stuff i already did up to that point). i don't see how you could have applied the 'same tweak' since i haven't shared those adjustments with anyone, and a lot of the changes i made aren't going to be something you could tell by loading the programs and looking at the settings. i can say that switching to peak mode is not the only thing i did. ;) (on a side note, yes my set does use peak mode, and most other comp programs use evf17. yes it does change the response to change that and it is one of the adjustments i made. but- a) for accuracy to the hardware, lots of comps shouldn't use peak. and b) it won't solve all comp program issues to make that change).

that aside, i'll stand by my own opinion that the type of behavior i've achieved with this set, probably couldn't be done with a tone-heavy comp and have it retain the tone. i'll also repeat that i could be wrong, and i often am (and in this case i would be glad to be). :)

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Re: Cupwise release: Rayphlex 661x2 A stereo compressors

Post by lordnielson » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:18 am

Well done Tim.

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Re: Cupwise release: Rayphlex 661x2 A stereo compressors

Post by SWAN » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:45 pm

wow its great to see the response of this new compressor - need to update my system and grab it. Sounds like Tim has done some great work.

re: 'tweak' - steady on - I think Gemini was just referring to one particular tweak and speculating on it...not suggesting the whole behaviour was down to one change...
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Re: Cupwise release: Rayphlex 661x2 A stereo compressors

Post by Cupwise » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:25 pm

I've just made a few updates.

a) now there is a free demo version available that will work with any free Nebula. the community version is the better of the two, so if you already have it, you don't need the demo version. the demo version is still good for showing the compression.
grab it here

b) i've added some things to the set. such as duplicate programs for external side-chain input, some of the programs now have a dry % control that you can use to add dry signal back in (which works well because the phase matches nicely), and some of them now have an 'ahead' control which is already usually in most comp programs but i took it out to make room for other stuff and because i never thought ahead was useful. later i saw that it could be used for limiting, so now i've added it back in, for a few progs.

if you have the set you can grab the 44kHz update pack here
and the 96kHz update pack here.

one other thing, if anyone bought the 44k version of the set, make sure that that's what you got. some people were getting the 96k version instead. if this happened to you, contact me.

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by Tim Petherick » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:44 am

Funny you should say that , I was using it for a parallel compression and noticed the lack of phase issues.

Very clean

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by SWANG » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:53 am

thanks for the update, tim. i'm guessing we don't need the vector files, yes? the update only came with n2p files.

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by Cupwise » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:58 am

timp wrote:Funny you should say that , I was using it for a parallel compression and noticed the lack of phase issues.
yeah. the only thing in the set that i've found that can cause phase issues is the bass phase shifter/enhancer, for obvious reasons. it's built into the soft ii comps, and in the no-comp program where it's basically the main feature. so if you wanted bass phase shifter with the soft ii comps, AND parallel compression, you'd want to use 2 instances. one with the soft ii comp and it's bass phase switch off and some dry mixed in, the next with the no comp program and switch it on there.
i mentioned this in the update .txt i think but i thought i'd mention it here in case anyone missed it there.
SWANG wrote:thanks for the update, tim. i'm guessing we don't need the vector files, yes? the update only came with n2p files.
yes that's correct. vectors haven't been changed.

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by david1103 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:42 pm

wtf! this is amazing. it is the first nebula compressor that actually works!

i have actually deleted all other nebula compressors, cupwise you are a genius :)

try the attack about 50ms, release 0.4, ratio 2:0 on drums. pull down the threshold and hear the attack of the drums get more and more punch. non of my non nebula VST compressors can do this. the punch they create sounds weak and artificial in comparison.

while compressing drums you get this kind of 'hovering' solid sound i have also never heard in software (apart from a little in a messed up way in other nebula comps)

for hard knee rhythmic compression this library dominates everything :D

playing with vocals i get an amazing clean sound on the hard knee, but couldn't dial in what i wanted with the soft knee. i am thinking maybe i like vocals soft knee only, more natural, anyone found any good vocal settings. so far closest to my liking has been:

attack 7ms, release 0.5, 1.5/1 ratio

but still maybe its too hard a knee... not that i am complaining, for percussion... :shock:

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by Cupwise » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:10 pm

the soft knee library, which will be out soon, will have the regular soft knee with and without the ufe controls, and then a 2nd version of the 'soft ii' knee which will have fully variable attack/release. the soft ii comp in this current set is limited to 'fast' and 'slow', but the one in the next set has the full range, AND the 'UFE' controls. and i would probably agree that the soft knees are better for things like vocals. you might be able to use the soft ii comp in this current set, but with the limit of 'fast' and 'slow', it might be a matter of luck if those attack/release timings fit for a particular vocal track. i have some ideas for future updates that might make it work a little better in this regard..
thanks for all the great compliments (everybody)!

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by SWANG » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:13 am

dumb question time: it's fine that i replaced the old n2p files with the updated ones, yes? or should i have kept both?

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by Cupwise » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:35 am

i wouldn't call it a dumb question. i probably should have put that in the update .txt and i think i just forgot to. but yes you just replace the old ones.

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Re: Rayphlex 661x2 A ( new demo prog added, set updated)

Post by SWANG » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:04 am

thanks! :)

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