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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by Cupwise » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:15 pm

also i have to say that i really agree with ngarjuna's sentiment.
the extra 'guru' control stuff should be thought of as just that. it's stuff a user can experiment with and possibly come up with a setup that works 'better' for a specific task, but may be sacrificing something else, and so then that program may not work well in OTHER situations besides the one you 'optimized' it for.
every plug-in or computer program that's ever made has 'compromises' in it that the developers had to make. actually this is true of not even just software, but EVERYTHING. buildings, statues, art, roads, cities, **the music you might make with these programs**, everything is designed by balancing out what you want with what's possible and practical. the best any developer can do is to try to have their software optimized for most uses, instead of hot-rodding it to work super good in rare cases, and less good in 97% of actual use.

every plug-in ever made probably has lots of 'hidden' parameters that the developer themselves adjusted before release, but they usually won't make those available for the end user to 'tweak'. so they are set by the dev, then that's how they stay, and you can never access them. every single plugin. but because those devs hid those parameters, you never even know about them, so they are literally out of sight and out of mind. people should look at the nebula 'guru' controls as a bonus possibility for you to experiment and maybe find hot-rodded uses that aren't officially supported by acustica, and assume that you will be sacrificing something else for what you got. kind of like adjusting trim pots in a guitar pedal or other equipment, or otherwise modifying the electronics inside.

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by RJHollins » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:58 pm

Lots of solid comments regarding 'GURU' setting adjustments. Nice to be able to access parts of the engine ... but most importantly ...

NEBULA 'sounded' better than most all my previous 'algo' purchases.

When the thrall of 'experiments' began surfacing, I read them as interesting, but had no time for my own experiments ... was more consumed in studying and working with all the libraries I could since moving into my new mastering room.

One of the motivational aspects that did have me experiment happened most recent. I found the test using the FATE compressor compelling. I need to study and compare much more thoroughly. IF the final output justifies the massive resource requirement, it might be useful in a batch, pre-processing mode. At least till I build my next computer monster :shock: :lol:

As for a 'fix' for NEBULA to handle compression ... I'm not certain that 'fix' is the proper comment. The idea behind convolution [at least my minimal understanding] would require a quite different design to provide 'compression'. Much in the same way that CDS developed a special R2R tape plugin.

I very much look forward to finding a software based compressor for my toolbox. I've demo'd out so many in just this past week, and still searching :|

The 2 that I dislike the least, Voxengo PolySquash and HOFA IQCompressor are being tested. Still, neither of these are traditional compressors with standard adjustments. Oh ... the 'PSPOldTimer' is another interesting one ...still :roll:

So I'm currently sending output from these 'algo' plugs into a NEBULA compressor library like Fenix, GMD, etc.

Still need to solve this important process. :!:
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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by highvoltage » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:43 pm

little OT but, for software compressors i found both the PSP Oldtimer and the Busspressor the most amazing sounding from ALL the plugins i have ever tried. They really nailed something there.

But nebula really adds that tone to the sound, too bad its so unpredictable.

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by RJHollins » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:44 pm

highvoltage wrote:little OT but, for software compressors i found both the PSP Oldtimer and the Busspressor the most amazing sounding from ALL the plugins i have ever tried. They really nailed something there.

But nebula really adds that tone to the sound, too bad its so unpredictable.
Hi,g.h.voltage [sorry] 8-)

Not familiar with 'Busspressor' ?!?

I have 'OldTimer' auditioning on a current mastering/restoration project. I demo'd PSP Master Compressor, but really did not like working with that interface :|

What sonic difference is 'Busspressor' compared to OT?

sorry if this has gone off topic ...
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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by highvoltage » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:59 pm

Busspressor is meant to emulate an S*L style (i think VCA) compressor. Oldtimer sounds more like a FET to me.

They both have a unique character. I like BussP on slower attack settings, when you need a chunky sharp attack, or to glue a mix together slightly. Oldtimer likes to squash things, it has generally a faster attack and release response.
Both great imho.

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by richie43 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:31 am

I also like the PSP compressors. Another algo comp that I love is the GTS-39 from Sknote. (http://www.sknote.it/GTS-39.htm) A tube comp/limiter. Very nice and smooth. I also love all of the Stillwell comps, and my latest fav algo comp is the Klanghelm DC8C. You can try the free scaled down version, the DC1A, which has the same amazing sound of the bigger one, just simpler and free. Definitely more and more cool algo comps these days, which is great for work-flow and CPU life. But there is still something I love about many of the Neb comps that is missing to my ears with even my most favorite algo comps.
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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by RJHollins » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:07 am

richie43 wrote:I also like the PSP compressors. Another algo comp that I love is the GTS-39 from Sknote. (http://www.sknote.it/GTS-39.htm) A tube comp/limiter. Very nice and smooth. I also love all of the Stillwell comps, and my latest fav algo comp is the Klanghelm DC8C. You can try the free scaled down version, the DC1A, which has the same amazing sound of the bigger one, just simpler and free. Definitely more and more cool algo comps these days, which is great for work-flow and CPU life. But there is still something I love about many of the Neb comps that is missing to my ears with even my most favorite algo comps.
Hi Richie,

Thanks for the compressor[s] suggestions ! There are several mentioned that I will need to demo out.

The 'Klanghelm' looks very interesting ... I did buy his VU meter plug, and was able to throw out all my other meter plugs [finally].

Yea ... them compressors ... primary focus is for mastering. I like to feed NEBULA for the color/character, so a 'clean' algo is preferred.

Having NOW to use VST compression, I'm better understanding the frustration I've read from others as they've searched and tested. Most of the algos I've tried breakup so badly when I go for my initial setup procedure. Makes it very difficult to get my tweak calibration set with all the distortion/breakup that I hear. BTW ... I use compression in a couple of different techniques. One is to shape the attack/release envelope to compliment the 'groove', and 2nd, for overall dynamics.

Coming from pure hardware, I also acknowledge that I need to relearn using plugins :|

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by mitch » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:01 am

Thank you so much Rich for the DC-1 link, it's a very good one.

The other day I found out the Platinium ears plugins: several free compressor plugs.

The Q4 is really very good: a Q compressor which allows to compress the transients that you need (the more agressive sounds, highs, mediums or lows).

Then I put my nebula Fenix or Zodiac and I am very the result. :D

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by richie43 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:10 pm

Clean compressor? Well, the Klanghelm one is colored, but for the right material, it can be an awesome mastering compressor on it's own. I use it more on parts and busses. I actually prefer straight Neb compressors for mastering, but I also am working with material that does not require heavy or super fast compression (or that's just my tastes). Alex B's German Mastering Dynamics, in my opinion, is about as good as it gets. But STN's 165a and Alex's Fenix have been showing up in my mastering chains more and more. The Sknote GTS-39 is one of my all-time go-to for drum busses and bass, at least while mixing. I may swap it with something else as I mix, but often not. It is so simple and good sounding.
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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by david1103 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:06 pm

have you guys tried this amazing freeware comp?:

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/201 ... ing-grade/

Its available for download here:

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/

turn the color controller all the way to the left, how about that for clean? :D don't be biased because its freeware, the programmer is a genius!

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by SWAN » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:45 pm

Im struggling to find an algo compressor that can shape transients in a way that does not sound sharp and unpleasant...there are some which are ok to do subtle compression - but for heavy compression and creating punch with some tone - it seems hardware is the only choice...
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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by mpodrug » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:45 pm

Have you ever tried Artsacoustic's CL Series? It does something great with transients. One of my all time favorite.

Now that we all are talking about algo compressors, a +1 to Sknote GTS 39, amazing on bass, and works for other stuffs as well.

I would also throw in IK Multimedia stuffs in, especially the 1176 and La2a. With Henry's mojo program the Fairchild 670 one is also my fav now.

My 2 cents.

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by sneaky » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:40 pm

tried alex's fts bus comp?

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by biomuse » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:44 pm

On the issue of which algorithmic comps to pair with Nebula comps in order to compensate for Nebula's difficulty with transients, I would say: none, because what you want is something that fills in Neb's weak point and then gets out of your way. That's not a comp but, instead, a limiter, saturator or transient designer set at high threshold/no knee. What you want to do is knock down transients with the algo to a reasonable degree so that they're within the dynamic spread you need for the track. Once that is done, I find you can do reasonable compression with Neb comps.

If you don't have any commercial plugs that fit that description (FGX is actually great for this because it lets you control the character of its multiband saturation very precisely), a good donationware pairing to try with Nebula is vladg's Limiter No 6:

http://vladgsound.wordpress.com/plugins/limiter6/

Try it before Neb with the compressor off, using a combination of just the limiter and saturators to get transient control.

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Re: Nebula Compressors

Post by biomuse » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:46 pm

Caveat: if you need to just flatten the crap out of a track, don't bother with Neb's compressors; go algo for that.

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