What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

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What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by FrankydT » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:33 pm

Hi, after the very good AlexB's stereo panners, could someone sample a good gain, fader and MONO panner with a good range-resolution? (Also a combo of these maybe-96 Khz please)
Just like the Input gain, pan and fader of a channel.
So I can get rid of Free-G (It seems to change the sound at every tick of its controls to me)
Logic Pro's mono pan (and many other sequencers) it's only +/- 64 range, only Pro Tools has a +/- 100 range, and I can't find just one fucked Mono Pan plugin around.
Maybe I'm asking too much, but I like and search for precision into a mix.
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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by Cupwise » Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:58 am

i can't say i ever noticed any differences with freeG across the gain levels myself...
but i do like your idea of a similarly simple nebula/acqua equivolent...

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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by cpwade » Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:07 am

Don't use free-G but you bring up an incredibly valid point.
That would be useful. Great suggestion.

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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by yr » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:12 am

Free-G has a couple of nice advantages over Nebula: you can type-in figures, the range is bigger (+18dB/+6dB) and the metering is easy to read. I don't believe it has a "sound" of it's own. Just to be sure I tested it be adding and distracting 54dB. The inverted result nulled with the original file all the way down to -147dBFS.
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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by RJHollins » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:48 am

confirming 'yr' findings ...

FreeG nulls well within spec.

and it is CPU friendly.

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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by surbitone » Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:35 pm

Free G is fine. Don't play into placebo or it's Nebula therefore *must* sound better. Alot of misinformation gets chucked around these internets.

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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by zabukowski » Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:48 pm

Anyone find FreeG peak RMS values rather high (compared to Wavelab and IXL level meter for example)?

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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by mathias » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:33 am

zabukowski wrote:Anyone find FreeG peak RMS values rather high (compared to Wavelab and IXL level meter for example)?

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yes, they seem to measure differently, than others.
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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by RJHollins » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:40 am

zabukowski wrote:Anyone find FreeG peak RMS values rather high (compared to Wavelab and IXL level meter for example)?

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Using a sine wave @ -18dB generated by WaveLAB.

WaveLAB shows: -18dB on it's built in meters.
FreeG shows: -18dB peak and -21dB RMS
Voxengo Span shows: -18dB peak and -21dB RMS
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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by farjedi » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:20 pm

I also use free G and find it does have an effect on sound, softens it somewhat, but then i just turn it off when I'm done with it so it doesn't bother me much..

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Post by enriquesilveti » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:25 pm

Is called crest factor.
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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by FrankydT » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:34 pm

Thanks to all for your support.
Yes, I was thinking about a complete pan-balance-level program.
For balance 3-4,5 (These already provided kindly by AlexB)
2,5 (Pro-Tools Like) and finally 6 Pan Law.
The real lack in the plugin's world is the Mono Pan.
There's only the Daw's one.
This would complete the Nebula's Console Channel Chain, without mentioning a useful tool for every mix.
About the sonic change of Free G, I don't say that it has a 'sound'
But try lower a the level at, as example, -0,15.
Now try lower it of a tick (-0,16) and then again another tick (-0,17).
Listen very carefully.
It seems to (very, very slightly, it's not so evident) 'shift ' the sound in some way. This even when the track-Instrument is in Solo.
When the level is -0,15, there's a 'tone', it seems to slightly change at -0,16, then the previous 'tone' 'returns' at -0,17.
In few words, it seems, not always, but often, to have a 'tone' at even numbers and another at odd numbers.
Maybe I'm crazy (well, I must admit it, the answer is YES!!!! :x :mrgreen: ) but...
But this can be used and desidered, as an effect.
Anyway, I've also asked to Sonimus DSP guy to incorporate these things in Satson (Channel and Bus Plugin). He seems interested.
Let's hope... but if you want, you can bring to reality this implementation either in nebula either with Sonimus Satson requesting this you too.
My greater thanks to everyone.

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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by farjedi » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:24 pm

If you can hear it consistently your probably right and not crazy. i wonder if it effects transients, i don't use the fader on it but when i take it off mids 2-5k sort of range seem to poke out more. Perhaps the method of analysis in the plugin causes this I don't know?.
Anyway such a plugin you describe would be really great. I think in the case of pan a coded plugin may be better using less Ram and cpu I'm not a coder so that might be incorrect,but it would be a great addition to the already brilliant Satson.

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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by TranscendingMusic » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:14 pm

I meant to post about gain plugins and the like...
I've been pondering something about them that throws me off a bit. FOr example the FreeG. If you were to try and null it with a copy of itself on a duplicated track, it nulls no problem. But, if you copy a track and use Free G to bump up it up 1 dB lets say, then you try and match the copied track using the tracks volume to 1 dB, it does not null. And I remember I tried other gain plugins as well but mostly the gain stages of other plugins. They all nulled around the same point, never completely.I did this in Sonar. I also remember I bumped the track volume 1 dB and then bumped the trim on the copied track 1 dB and the same behavior! No complete null. So may be somebody else has some insight about this. May be somebody using a 32-bit platform just to make sure. It's pretty strange to me. It implicates DAW gain is different then 3rd party gain VST's (?) DAW gain is even different with its own trims (?) oh the madness :o
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Re: What about a Nebula Free-G like tool? (With a good Mono Pan)

Post by yr » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:33 pm

Yes it's crazy- in Wavelab, when I use FreeG on one track and "steinberg leveler" on the other they null to -132dBFS. When I use a fader (instead of the "leveler") they only null to about -44.5dBFS.
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