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update:ShootoutOTB vs Nebula Waves UAD Slate Stripbus Satson

Post by mpodrug » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:13 pm

Some guy posted in gear...z a shootout which has been deleted for whatever reason.
I still have the links.

Can you spot the OTB mixes (N**e 1073 Channel, S*L X-Desk summing mixer)? Or can Hybrid and ITB sound better?

Here are the other contenders:

Hybrid:
X-Desk + Waves Kramer KMT (15ips, over biased)
X-Desk + UAD Ampex ATR 102 (456, 15ips, +3)

Plugins:
Stripbus, Satson, Waves NLS, Slate VCC Brit 4k, Slate VTM, VCC+VTM, Nebula CLC, CLC+R2R+Tapebooster, Nebula The Globe+ Signaltonoize NAG tape+ Tapebooster.

The users who posted the mixes tried to achieve the best sound possible (to their taste) with those chains.

Bypassed:
..
Blindmixes:
...

Load them in your DAW, and solo each track as it plays. I've done my best to level matched them at the loudest parts, but if it's not enough for you, do it yourself in your DAW.

Edit: Pick your top 3 and then 1 absolute favorite.
The top 3 can have different colors but yet the best improvement compared to the original.

I'll post the wav names later.
Have fun.

Edit: I took down the links due to copyright issue.
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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by dream » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:13 pm

Thanks a lot mpodrug!

I'm not able to download the last file. Is it me?
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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by mpodrug » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:28 pm

I corrected that. Should work now!

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by dream » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:01 am

Thanks!

Unfortunately I'm still having the same problem. :)
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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by mpodrug » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:31 am

Dropbox is so bad. They deactivated the links due to too much traffic. I'm uploading them on another server. Hang on.

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by elam » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:22 pm

That's a nice idea mpodrug.
But:
mpodrug wrote:Can you spot the N**e 1073 mix?

Amongst the plugins you describe few of them emulate a 1073 :?:
Nebula CLC is an S*L 4000E,Satson is something on is own,Globe is a Sphere,not sure tat Strip bus got a "N**e mode" or VTM/R2R/Tape booster are tape emu.

But as a general "coloration quality" test, it's fun.

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by mpodrug » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:40 pm

I just updated the links with working ones.

elam wrote:That's a nice idea mpodrug.
But:
mpodrug wrote:Can you spot the N**e 1073 mix?

Amongst the plugins you describe few of them emulate a 1073 :?:
Nebula CLC is an S*L 4000E,Satson is something on is own,Globe is a Sphere,not sure tat Strip bus got a "N**e mode" or VTM/R2R/Tape booster are tape emu.

But as a general "coloration quality" test, it's fun.
No, you misunderstood. Among the mixes there's one mix through a real N**e 1073.
Yes, i know CLC is an 4000E, etc.. I know they all have other characters of coloration. In fact, the files were made by different users and then level matched.

I just want to know if you can spot an OTB mix out of the bunch or not, among them are also cheap and expensive plugins, so it's very interesting if it plays any kind of role or not.

BTW i'm still waiting for a user who will give me another mixes through UAD, Waves Spike, and another OTB S*L Desk, so it will be very interesting.

Just pick your 3 favs, you'll be surprised by the time i reveal it, i see no vote yet.

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by elam » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:02 pm

I got you now.
It's more a test about "find the hardware"... yeah, people (and me first) will be surprised by the result.

That said what I said above still relevant.(you still "comparing" green vs.red,with this, it's hard to say that the green got a higher quality than this red... ;) ).

That said, I use (or tried) almost all the plugins you mentioned.They're real good.Real,real good...Especially in a full mix context.

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by mpodrug » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:52 am

Hmmm.. 268 views and no one voted yet? Cmon guys.
It's not just about finding the hardware. I found some big quality differences between the mixes. That's why i said pick your top 3 and then 1 absolute favorite.
The top 3 can have different colors but yet the best improvement compared to the original.

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by ericzang » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:46 pm

Preferred to bypassed mix:
Top Favorite: 6
2nd: 4
3rd: 3
4th: 5 (close to #3)

Different, but a little not preferred to bypassed: 2
Definitely not preferred to bypassed:
9, 10, 7, 8, 1

I'm very curious to know what the identities are! Can you private message me the answers? I won't tell!

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by mpodrug » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:44 pm

PM'd

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by ericzang » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:53 pm

I should say that I was listening on ATH-M50 headphones. I looped a short section in the first part of the song before it gets loud.

Several of my "unpreferred" choices were based on the frequency balance being changed (such as getting a bit muddy). Some of the other mixes seemed to me to have some kind of slight distortion or lack of openness.

The ones I liked to me seemed to subtly fill out the sound and/or give a slight sense of smoothness.

Thank you mpodrug for the PM with the answers! It was interesting and I was surprised (and also not surprised)!

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by lipa » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:09 pm

did a quick listen and I'm sure that number 10 is hardware 8-)
The rest sounds more or less the same..just like all tracks summed itb, only with slightly different tone. number 10 has noticeably less highs but also bigger soundstage, there is more space "between" instruments. It sounds the most 3D, effortless and natural, also has very nice (nevish) tone.
So.. it was mixed on which N**e console? You mentioned 1073.. but it's not a console..just a channel..

After number 10 I also like numbers 9 (even bigger soundstage - sounds like S*L - so maybe Alex B CLC?), 6.. 7 is nice too.. ..too many options hehe :D

numbers 1 and 8 have (relatively) lots of noise, hiss.. it might be due to extra tape instances.. or it might be "famous" waves 50/60hz power noise simulation.. :mrgreen: who knows..

overall, the song, recording and mix are all very nice, congratulations! and thanks for taking time to render it all and share with us! :P

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by futur2 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:05 pm

no idea what is what listening on focal twins. i liked 1, 9, 6 and 7 (quite similar). i'm pretty sure most of the differences i heard were due to a difference in levels, of course #1 stood out as beeing much louder than the rest in the silent parts. yeah differences in the bass and the highs here and there, but all in all the differences are not huge (probably some little bits of master eq would make more difference than any of that).

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Re: Blind shootout OTB vs ITB (nebula, and other plugs)

Post by mpodrug » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:43 pm

I PM'd you both as well.

But please don't spoil the results till i reveal it. If i do, then we can discuss.

About the levels, i received the mixes from some other Gearslutz users, then level matched them on the loudest parts by eyes and ears. The quiet parts are obviously all pretty different.
So if you think they're not matched properly it's easy to load them all in your DAW and match them yourself to avoid yourself being fooled by the gain.

And the 1073, i honestly can't remember if the guy who made it said if it's the console or just the channel, he just labeled it that way. But you're right it has to be the channel.

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