AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by ngarjuna » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:23 pm

fuseburn wrote:Who claimed that nebula was cheap btw. ? :D
I can't be the only one in here who spent more than 600 bucks on libraries, no ? These amounts are VERY QUICKLY adding up, guys :lol:
I'm sure what people mean when they say Nebula is cheap is that you get a lot for your money. It's just that to get the same amount of diversity in any other platform (let's say UAD or Waves) would cost you significantly more, easily more than twice as much (and you'd still have less diversity when it was all said and done). $600 for a bunch of libraries is still a bargain compared to many other commercial emulations.

But yeah, you're not the only one: if you added up all my libraries I've made a decent investment in this platform.

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by dpclarkson » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:12 pm

But yeah, you're not the only one: if you added up all my libraries I've made a decent investment in this platform.
+1.
And, so what?
Or invest in the Waves Mercury Bundle..and still have nothing. ;)

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by faun2500 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:35 pm

Actually. the only reason I haven't bought this yet is because I don't know if i need it. I.e, if it is different to what I have or useful to me. A demo might answer these questions.

Everything I have bought from neb is quality, no doubt, but the questions could be answered with a usable demo.

Just my thoughts. :P
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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by richie43 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:29 pm

I'm going to be the "stick in the mud" on this one and support the devs and their lack of demos. I LIKE the idea of demos, but am ok with not having any. To me, the thing to look at is the comparison of Nebula libraries to their hardware counterparts and the functions. As already said, obviously the value of a Neb library (cost to use ratio) is so much more than hardware, right? And if you were running an all analog studio, I would bet that all of us Nebula users wouldn't have even a fraction of the flexibility that we have with our emulations. Would we even consider outfitting our studio with 5 or 6 high-end consoles, 10-15 compressors, 15-20 high-end eq's....? I bet that we wouldn't. So with the amount of flexibility we already have with our numerous libraries, and with the incredible price that we pay for what we have to work with, aren't more additions to our library collections really almost excessive? Is it necessary? Don't get me wrong, I will continue buying these great libraries, and there are so many. And I have a very meager income, so I too feel the financial squeeze with this love of the Nebula sound. But I also know that the cost is kept reasonable for us users by these devs who put a ton of time into their work. Is it fair to ask them to give stuff away for free, which also costs them more money? If they offer, awesome! But if they don't, I don't think it is necessary, productive, fair, or even nice and reasonable to hassle them about it. If they choose to not supply a demo, and you decide to not purchase their library because of that, and they are ok with that, then let it go. I, for one, always trust the main 3rd party devs and what they put out. I also participate in the mutual support with these devs by purchasing their stuff "blindly" and they in turn will usually also offer help and guidance with not only their libraries, but with deeper issues regarding using Nebula. I have gotten so many personal email responses from Michael Angel, Alex B, Eric, Giancarlo, Enrique, and the folks over at RoomHunters. These guys have educated me and given alot of their own time, for free, to help me, a singular user. That's pretty cool, and I certainly am not going to haggle with them because they may not want to invest more time and money into an already fairly priced product of the utmost high quality.
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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by dacaveprods » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:07 pm

@richie43:Well Said #SALUTE!!!

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by richie43 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:09 pm

Thanks dacaveprods. I had a feeling that I was not completely alone in these sentiments. I DO, though, totally understand the want of demos. I just don't argue when a trustworthy, fair, and talented dev decides not to offer any. Thanks for admitting that you agree with what I have a feeling may be a less popular view-point!
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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by cps418 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:15 pm

richie43 wrote:Thanks dacaveprods. I had a feeling that I was not completely alone in these sentiments. I DO, though, totally understand the want of demos. I just don't argue when a trustworthy, fair, and talented dev decides not to offer any. Thanks for admitting that you agree with what I have a feeling may be a less popular view-point!
The word is not "trustworthy", it is "preference". Do I prefer this comp. over that comp. The next word "fair". I think many of us have been fair when buy all types of presets that we later realize are not what we thought. Do we complain, or ask for a compensation, no. "Talented". I think we show our love of the talent with, "support". I search the web a lot and never do I see any signs of nebula torrents or presets. So, it works both ways we love the prices, and the quality, but please, let us "try before we buy". p.s. $20.00 is nothing, but I do not want to roll the dice with it.

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by dpclarkson » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:29 pm

So far, every library that I have bought, gets
it's use. Some more than others.
Sometimes I prefer the Fearn for a certain
source or mix, sometimes I never use that eq.
It's indeed about preference and solutions.
I have to see a seasoned mix engineer who's using
one type of eq and one type of compressor
for everything, in any given genre.

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by cps418 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:44 pm

dpclarkson wrote:So far, every library that I have bought, gets
it's use. Some more than others.
Sometimes I prefer the Fearn for a certain
source or mix, sometimes I never use that eq.
It's indeed about preference and solutions.
I have to see a seasoned mix engineer who's using
one type of eq and one type of compressor
for everything, in any given genre.
I do nt know if that's at me, but I use several comps. as well. What I am saying is the demo gives a pre process of elimination without having to roll the dice with 20 bucks to know if this comp fits with me. By the way I do not use plenty of presets that I bought. I'm not a sore loser, I demoed them, I liked them, I bought them. Two months later I bought another preset that did wodners for my mix, and I stopped using the first one I bought. No hard feelings

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by dpclarkson » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:30 pm

What I am saying is the demo gives a pre process of elimination without having to roll the dice with 20 bucks to know if this comp fits with me.
No offence, but if a dev would release an 1176, correct fast attack times, and even distortion (microkernels/ahd?), than I wouldn't
have to think twice.
When Alex released the 4KD, I bought it, even though I was fully
aware that compression in Nebula is still in development.
Having worked with 4000-series consoles, I know what I can expect.
The sound is about dead-on, but some things need time and development.
Mind you, that there's only a handful of people working on this technology. That takes time.
It's up to us to choose, wether we want to be beta-testers and having a great sound, or not.
It's their unprecedented support and having "no attitudes" towards
their clients, that deserves our tiny financial support.
A simple choice.

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by richie43 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:21 am

Listen cps418. As I said, I understand wanting the demo, truly. But don't expect one. The decision to offer a free-to-consumer version of a product is completely up to the developer. And these "free" products not only cost the dev time and money, they invariably cause more trouble than it's worth for them when people want more demos with different settings etc. The bottom line is that if they are ok with losing 1 or 2 customers for their decision to not offer demos, that's their deal and the unhappy people don't have to buy their stuff. Every business makes their own choices and every consumer has the choice to patronize a business or not. But my main point is that it's not necessary or productive to get upset at the devs about it because it certainly won't urge them any closer to giving you what you want, which is essentially a free sample. I would LOVE to have a chance to demo every library out there, but I can't, it's ok, I buy some anyway and pass on others.
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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by richie43 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:23 am

dpclarkson wrote: It's their unprecedented support and having "no attitudes" towards
their clients, that deserves our tiny financial support.
A simple choice.
Oh yeah. And what dpclarkson said.^^^
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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by cps418 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:41 am

richie43 wrote:
dpclarkson wrote: It's their unprecedented support and having "no attitudes" towards
their clients, that deserves our tiny financial support.
A simple choice.
Oh yeah. And what dpclarkson said.^^^
I'm just looking for the logic in the choice not to offer demos. Does it do bad, I know it does good. And for the person that said he has worked with the 4000 mixer, god bless you, but I have not so I can not imagine off the top of my head how this, or that mixer will sound with this gear, or that plug in. It's our unprecedented support and having "no attitudes" towards
our merchants, that deserves their tiny demo link support. Demo link! For true returning customers. It works both ways.

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by Mimi » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:43 am

Hi AlexB , Hi for all...Well, my question is: what configuration of MAST / METERS, is recommended for compressor? (7 VU) or (8 TRUE RMS 17) ?
Is there a setting that you recommends Alex?
And I'm loving it, the evolutions of compressors, I am working very with compressors nebula.
Congratulations AlexB! And all developers. :mrgreen:

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Re: AlexB - Modern White Dynamics PRO

Post by richie43 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:23 am

cps418 wrote:I'm just looking for the logic in the choice not to offer demos. Does it do bad, I know it does good. And for the person that said he has worked with the 4000 mixer, god bless you, but I have not so I can not imagine off the top of my head how this, or that mixer will sound with this gear, or that plug in. It's our unprecedented support and having "no attitudes" towards
our merchants, that deserves their tiny demo link support. Demo link! For true returning customers. It works both ways.
No one said it was logical cps418. I am just trying to get you to understand that it is each developers choice to offer them or not and each consumers choice to buy from them or not. But it is not helping by complaining and making demands. I will say it for at least the third time; I understand the whole reasoning for wanting to try something first. Really, I do. But if a developer doesn't want to offer a demo, either buy from them anyway or not. It's not their responsibility to give us free demos. It may feel like a perk to some, but they don't owe us anything more than a good quality product at a good price. Other than that, it's a matter of choice for a business and it's potential customers. I am one of the customers who tried some of the earlier demos from multiple developers and have learned which companies that I am comfortable buying from with no demos. The companies I am not comfortable buying from "blindly" I just don't buy from them. And miraculously all of these devs, even the one's I don't buy from as much anymore, are still happily in business. Are we good now?
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