Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

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Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by justinmorell » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:33 pm

Hi all,

Just looking for some opinions. I have a session at 88.2kHz and would so like to use some of the AlexB and CDSM emulations. I'm wondering, is it worth the sonic price of SRC (I have izotope) to upsample to 96kHz to be able to use the emulations?

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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by biomuse » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:58 pm

Oh gosh I would think that the difference between 88.2 and 96 would not be worth it at all. It's all getting downsampled to 44.1 at the end anyhow, I assume? You'll get 99.9% of the goodies you're after just letting Nebula downsample to 88.2 (which it does well). Not worth it.

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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by justinmorell » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:34 pm

Just so I'm clear on your point, you think the sample rate conversion (whether it's from within Nebula or done elsewhere) is not going to have much effect on the quality, and that whatever loss there may be in the SRC is worth accepting in order to get the benefit of the emulations?
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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by Martinez » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:20 pm

Hi there Justin, it's always worth it sonically as far as i'm concerned.
Just so you know, it is not a case of it's all going to end up a 44.1 anyway, it's a case of once all the audio files a mixed together at 96khz and sound better so then will they sound better at 44.1khz.

The sonic benefit of high sample rates stack across multiple tracks, so the more tracks the more benefit it will be.
When you do a mix and bounce it or record it live to your hard disk the final product is a snap shot of the over all mix and is not magically summed together after it leaves your daw.

In short, yes it's totally worth it providing you have a decent app to do the conversion which from what I hear you do.

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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by david1103 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:22 pm

i would say the SRC makes a big difference in quality for nebula, at least in the nebula pre-amps i tested with downsampling from 96k to 44.1. can't confirm for 88.2 but i would imagine it would be the same.

i would upsample to 96k and run your project in that if i were you.

best solution of all is of course to try it both ways if you have the time! if you do, please upload a mix out of interest :D

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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by justinmorell » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:21 am

Thanks. I think I will go ahead and upsample to 96k and work from there. My little CPU will continue to grow more and more angry with me, but that's life. :-)

Can't wait to finally work on a project with all of these emulations!
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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by biomuse » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:05 pm

martinez wrote:Just so you know, it is not a case of it's all going to end up a 44.1 anyway, it's a case of once all the audio files a mixed together at 96khz and sound better so then will they sound better at 44.1khz.
I think you and others have misinformed the gentleman. It's of course true that working at a high sample rate has benefits that translate to the sample reduced master. The point is that any difference between 96 and 88.2 in Nebula is going to be swamped by that last SRC to of the mix to 44.1. It's not as though his session rate is at 44.1 to begin with, in which case the upsampling might make a real difference. Nebula's SRC is more than capable of producing fantastic results with 96->88.2 conversion. I wouldn't bother upsampling everything in this situation.

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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by Barendse » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:21 pm

Sample up to 96.

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Re: Console and tape emulation at 88.2--is it worth it?

Post by biomuse » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:47 am

Methinks you have all lost your minds. :shock: Any difference will be perfectly inaudible in a final mix, and you're instructing the OP to go through major inconvenience to get it.

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Post by ngarjuna » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:58 pm

biomuse wrote:Methinks you have all lost your minds. :shock: Any difference will be perfectly inaudible in a final mix, and you're instructing the OP to go through major inconvenience to get it.
+1. People vastly overestimate the effect of SRC.

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