What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by botus99 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:23 pm

Melodist wrote:Alex B's stuff does 0 harmonics, I've measured it all...
Demonstrable nonsense.

I have the feeling our new friend hasn't measured the 4KC CONSOLE against VCC. We can all agree EQ's and consoles are different right?

Anyone else remember the fiasco with VCC's more-or-less copying AlexB's original V1 CLC? IIRC there was some phase response discrepancy because of an outside piece of gear that was left in the chain during CLC's sampling that VCC also had. Highly suspicious coincidence, and clearly an error/fault in both cases. Something like that, please correct me if I'm wrong (my memory isn't perfect, but it gets me by)... Not trying to spread misinformation, but I do remember AlexB being quite upset and having plenty of evidence to bolster his case.

Yup, keep measuring. Load up a 10 kernel preamp/console program and compare apples to apples. :mrgreen:

EDIT: Ah, the heck with it... Enjoy Melodist! Note the "0 harmonics" :o
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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by Melodist » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:18 pm

Who of you has actually owned an S*L? I have. Do you know where the harmonics are generated mostly? In the EQ card.
flaviusr wrote:the fake guy is comparing a high shelf with a fake slate console? AlexB has at least two kinds of programs, one is with less harmonics, if you want a cleaner sound or less CPU consuming. Both programs are heaven. You decide.
Would you define fake guy please?

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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by botus99 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:38 pm

Melodist wrote:Who of you has actually owned an S*L? I have. Do you know where the harmonics are generated mostly? In the EQ card.
Worked on, not owned... it doesn't matter concerning your point though. Your first claim was that "AlexB's stuff does 0 harmonics." I provided evidence otherwise.

Your new point (which is irrelevant to your first) may be true... but again, you fail to provide credible evidence. However, true or not, this really doesn't matter.

VCC. We were talking about VCC. CONSOLE emulation. YOU brought up EQ. The thread subject is console emulation with VCC vs console emulation with Nebula.
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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by Melodist » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:06 pm

botus99 wrote:
Melodist wrote:Who of you has actually owned an S*L? I have. Do you know where the harmonics are generated mostly? In the EQ card.
Worked on, not owned... it doesn't matter concerning your point though. Your first claim was that "AlexB's stuff does 0 harmonics." I provided evidence otherwise.

Your new point (which is irrelevant to your first) may be true... but again, you fail to provide credible evidence. However, true or not, this really doesn't matter.

VCC. We were talking about VCC. CONSOLE emulation. YOU brought up EQ. The thread subject is console emulation with VCC vs console emulation with Nebula.
Yes and part of the console is the EQ, and the EQ generates a lot of harmonics.
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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by lubomba » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:16 pm

Usually there are 2 versions of AlexB EQs. The "LE" version is sampled without harmonics (or at least reduced). Use the one without LE if you want stronger coloration.

Or maybe he preferred to remove some parts of the EQ card before sampling it... don't know, but using the console Pre IN before EQ etc and then the Mixbus Pre you should get pretty accurate harmonics

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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by Melodist » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:22 pm

Why does his EQ have no harmonics?

Actually, his mixbus harmonics are correct, I've just measured it, I've got a center section racked.

But to me, rather the EQ was the point, which is kind of another big part of the console sound, and it has no harmonics, so what did he capture?

Because the picture i posted before was just eq + channel harmonics in my initial comparison.
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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by botus99 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:55 pm

This is total threadjacking, but all I have to offer in regards to EQ harmonics is that the SPLIT-H kernel mode is at play here. I can't explain exactly what it is going on technically, but in the KERN page there is a CLASSC button in the upper right. When in CLASSC mode, the kernels appear in analyzers as one would expect. At least in the short test I just ran (forgot to screenshot, tried with other AlexB eq's since I don't have 4KeQ, and didn't research further).

Here's what I can't remember... how/why EQ's in Nebula are set to SPLIT-H over CLSSC mode? I know there's an answer out there, but I feel I've contributed enough for now. :lol:
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Re: What is/are closest Nebula3 emulations to Slate VCC ??

Post by plexus » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:57 pm

Hi Melodist. I appreciate your skeptism. I think it's important to be skeptical of this kind of thing (accuracy of analogue emulation) because so many people are happy to just go with what they *think* sounds better. The subjective nature of audio can make the most tenured audio engineer err. Good audio engineers should always be skeptical and look for observable evidence to back up their subjective analysis.

However when doing so it's vital to do your testing as accurately as possible and that includes "stimuli" that are similar. For example this potential discrepancy between comparing an EQ model to a console model.

I look forward to any further results you come up with. The nature of creating Nebula programs means there are many potential variations in approach the engineer can take that may result in a product that does do what is claimed. It's good to have good quality objective evidence for these things.

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